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The Whistler
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Topic: Phil Collins: we decided TONIGHT! Posted: February 12 2007 at 02:11 |
...unless you're reading this tomorrow, in which case, we decide then.
Now, think before you answer the above question. Was Phil a diabolical mastermind whose main purpose in life was to take a decent progressive outfit (excuse me, great progressive outfit), and turn it into a pop machine from the beginning? Did he, in fact, sign up on the "rock drummer sensitive to 12-string guitar" with the long term goal of popular stardom? Did he "never really like Yes 'n Pink Floyd?"
Or, did Phil, in fact, stumble onto it? Did he wake up one day, see where things were sort of going, and go, "Uh, okay. I can live with that, I guess. I don't have to play drums anymore, right?"
Did Phil always want to be a pop star, and realized that Gabriel's band would never hold for long? Or, if Genesis magically became a jazz band tomorrow, would Phil say that he always found pop music boring?
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Atavachron
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Posted: February 12 2007 at 02:15 |
He drinks
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video vertigo
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Posted: February 12 2007 at 02:16 |
I choose "good drummer"
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"The rock and roll business is pretty absurd, but the world of serious music is much worse." - Zappa
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tuxon
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Posted: February 12 2007 at 02:42 |
there are two sides to every story.
Personally i think it was gabriel who wanted to go more commercial and thatīs why he left. At that time with
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So it isnīt phil thatīs the evil genius, but rather Gabriel, Banks and Rutherford, with Hackett being a victim of the proces and Phil simply remaining true to himself.
so all is wel in paradise. Edited by tuxon - February 12 2007 at 02:59 |
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Cheesecakemouse
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Posted: February 12 2007 at 02:49 |
clueless oaf, he doesn't mean to be so evil yet destruction follows him in every wake.
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richardh
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Posted: February 12 2007 at 02:50 |
^ Tuxon, presumably Banks and Kaye are interchangeable?
The reason I don't like Collins as a person is because he adopted a revisionist view of rock history to make himself look cool in the eighties.I think most people realised he's a complete knob.That said he is a superb musician and certainly was the main reason Genesis continued after Gabriel left. Personally I like the albums Genesis made from Trick up to Duke. After that they obviously stopped being a 'prog band' but I gather it was a collective decison.Banks and Rutherford were as much to blame as Collins.I think we chose to blame Collins for it because he's such a prat. Edited by richardh - February 12 2007 at 02:52 |
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tuxon
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Posted: February 12 2007 at 02:57 |
Find the similarities between Yes and genesis. Tony Banks
Tony kaye Peter Banks Peter Gabriel Steve Howe Steve hackett somehow i always refer to banks as kaye, not the first time I assure you
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The Whistler
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Posted: February 12 2007 at 03:20 |
Ah, good ole Phil. He's our wee, shiny headed punching bag. Great drummer though; everything on Selling England is superb.
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The Whistler
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Posted: February 12 2007 at 03:21 |
I can dfend myself, syoo plumber.
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"There seem to be quite a large percentage of young American boys out there tonight. A long way from home, eh? Well so are we... Gotta stick together." -I. Anderson
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Chris S
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Posted: February 12 2007 at 04:28 |
More genius than any of us could ever aspire to be!!!
Rock on Phil.............
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JayDee
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Posted: February 12 2007 at 07:32 |
Ditto. I do like some of his solo stuffs though. Edited by Majestic_Mayhem - February 12 2007 at 07:35 |
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kazansky
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Posted: February 12 2007 at 07:36 |
great drummer, and good vocalist also
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The devil we blame our atrocities on is really just each one of us.
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salmacis
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Posted: February 12 2007 at 08:02 |
I don't go along with the blanket condemnation of Phil Collins. I'm no great advocate of his solo work (Face Value is about my limit) or most of Genesis' 80s stuff either but I don't blame him for the band's move into commercial ventures. Rutherford (Throwing It All Away) and Banks (Anything She Does) were writing generic AOR in the same manner as Collins on the Genesis albums, but I feel because Phil had great solo success with material of that ilk, he gets the blame for the band's 80s sound.
I understand the bitterness about his musical taste change- indeed, I've seen a personal profile from a 1971 magazine that he lists Yes as his fave band and Jon Anderson as one of his heroes- but even when I generally dislike the majority of stuff from Invisible Touch, no other prog band ever achieved the total rejuvenation of fanbase that Genesis did. Yes almost did, but they were far too chaotic in terms of line-up turnover and general inner turmoil. I do give the band some credit for that, even when what they did wasn't always to my taste. Few other bands in any genre managed to update themselves in the same manner.
And yes, I rate him as a great drummer and a great vocalist too. And personally speaking, most of Gabriel's solo stuff is no more to my taste than Collins' or Mike and the Mechanics is, though I grant you it's not as flat out commercial.
Edited by salmacis - February 12 2007 at 08:06 |
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Heptade
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Posted: February 12 2007 at 08:56 |
Perhaps we stop excoriating Collins for his choices, admit that he has more talent in one of his fingerbones than we have in our entire bodies, and thank him for the great drumming in the 70s, at the very least.
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Bj-1
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Posted: February 12 2007 at 09:06 |
Awesome drummer, excellent vocalist.
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E-Dub
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Posted: February 12 2007 at 09:21 |
Not sure about either, but he's caused more whining than the whole 'hanging chad' fiasco in Florida.
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Sir Hogweed
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Posted: February 12 2007 at 10:24 |
I believe Phil's only reason for joining Genesis was to be able to bring the band down from within. There is too much evidence around to think otherwise. |
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Sir Hogweed
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Posted: February 12 2007 at 10:35 |
It's not about the quality of his fingerbone. It's about where he sticks it sometimes. (in a musical sense, that is)
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Easy Livin
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Posted: February 12 2007 at 11:56 |
This whole thread is borderline as far as being respectful to musicians is concerned. Please, no more personal insults or offensive comments.
Edited by Easy Livin - February 12 2007 at 11:57 |
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Posted: February 12 2007 at 12:17 |
Aside from whether Phil is talented or not, I've always seen him a nice guy. I heard him in an interview in the 90s explaining to an interviewer that he could understand some people getting tired of hearing of him or his music, as it was gettting played quite a lot at the time, so he'd decided to cut back on projects. Not that he was putting down his music, just making a comment on overexposure.
Interestingly, I'm surprised that we haven't seen the usual onslaught of the quasi-religious Gabriel era Genesis fanatics who seem to see any mention of poor ol' Phil as cause for all out verbal war. So maybe they cottoned on to the fact that they might have been suffering from a case mental constipation & verbal diarrhea, or they went on notice that there was an actual "real" world out there As per Pye We're just musicians, here to thin the thickness of your skin |
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