Is "In the court of the crimson king" over-rated? |
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Hatters
Forum Senior Member Joined: May 06 2006 Status: Offline Points: 466 |
Posted: February 20 2007 at 17:33 | |
Hell no. Doesn't get half the praise it deserves.
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Bj-1
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Posted: February 20 2007 at 17:46 | |
I don't care how prog it is, the music is 5-star material in my book. One of my favorite albums ever.
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richardh
Prog Reviewer Joined: February 18 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 27729 |
Posted: February 20 2007 at 17:47 | |
Its an important album for sure.I havn't listened to it for ages though.The best tracks on it are fantastic but there is some filler IMO.(Moonchild especially)
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fuxi
Prog Reviewer Joined: March 08 2006 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 2459 |
Posted: February 20 2007 at 17:48 | |
True, it was an album of enormous importance in prog history.
Even if you don't like King Crimson, you cannot deny the influence this album had on the early Genesis, and on Steve Hackett's solo career. But if you judge the album purely as a work of art, it's flawed. Although I like the faster (instrumental) bits of 'Schizoid Man', the sung bits bore the hell out of me - but I admit this may be purely subjective. 'Epitaph' is a different kettle of fish. I was deeply impressed by this track when I was 17, and I loved it to bits, but in spite of its lovely melody, I now feel it sounds incredibly portentous. As for the title track, it's terribly boring and long-winded. And Pete Sinfields fake 'poetry' just gives me the shivers. A pity this incarnation of KC never recorded an instrumental album, since the instruments SOUND so good, especially the drums, the flute and the other woodwinds, the lead guitar and the keyboards... Edited by fuxi - February 20 2007 at 17:49 |
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Nash
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Posted: February 20 2007 at 17:57 | |
I dont think this is the best album of prog history, but, im completely sure it is a masterpiece of it
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spleenache
Forum Groupie Joined: September 10 2006 Status: Offline Points: 68 |
Posted: February 20 2007 at 18:52 | |
I totally agree. The most over rated album in the history of rock music. I love King Crimson and own every single album/CD they put out to this day (including club releases) but I do not own the "in the court..." and cannot stand it. It is simplistic and repetitive.
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chessman
Prog Reviewer Joined: December 01 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 974 |
Posted: February 20 2007 at 19:07 | |
Yes, yes, yes! Nice to see someone else thinks the same as me! :)
It sounds so dated now that the only track I can listen to is 'I Talk To The Wind'.
I especially think 21st Schizoid Man is overrated. It sounds like the start to some dodgy TV series to me, such as Captain Scarlet!
Of course, the album will always be rated highly by many, fair enough, but for me it's:
Historically Important, Musically Doubtful.
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micky
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Posted: February 20 2007 at 19:36 | |
ahhh.. guess I've found my topic for the night
too important to be written off as overrated... but hahhaha... Moonchild brings that album down in a big way for quality. The importance is without question.. the album itself... I thought ITWOP a better album. |
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E-Dub
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Posted: February 20 2007 at 19:56 | |
I'm not a huge King Crimson fan, but find this to be pretty groundbreaking for it's time. I do think it sounds a bit dated and it's not a favorite of mine; however, you can't deny what it meant for this genre that we love so much.
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Scapler
Forum Senior Member Joined: June 18 2006 Status: Offline Points: 2567 |
Posted: February 20 2007 at 21:09 | |
HELL NO!
One of the most amazing albums of all time! |
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BaldJean
Prog Reviewer Joined: May 28 2005 Location: Germany Status: Offline Points: 10387 |
Posted: February 20 2007 at 21:10 | |
"Moonchild" never gets the skip from me; there is some wonderful musical interplay in it. you should open your ears to it. my favorite track of the album, and BECAUSE of that improvisational section. it even beats "21st Century Schizoid Man" Edited by BaldJean - February 20 2007 at 21:11 |
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Masque
Forum Senior Member Joined: April 01 2006 Status: Offline Points: 808 |
Posted: February 20 2007 at 21:27 | |
I see you are a newbie Wuschel ... just as well
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el böthy
Prog Reviewer Joined: April 27 2005 Location: Argentina Status: Offline Points: 6336 |
Posted: February 20 2007 at 22:36 | |
Over-rated???.....
Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooo you will burn in hell for this |
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cookieacquired
Forum Senior Member Joined: January 23 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 911 |
Posted: February 20 2007 at 22:37 | |
Burning at the stake is the only punishment for this foul blasphemer
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MadcapLaughs84
Forum Senior Member Joined: February 21 2006 Location: Mexico Status: Offline Points: 658 |
Posted: February 21 2007 at 01:38 | |
You said it all, pal thx
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: February 21 2007 at 02:05 | |
Has an album the need to be weird, ultra complex and almost impossible to understand to be a masterpiece?
Hell no!!!!!
Except for 21st Century Schizoid Man that is the experimental track of the album, King Crimson managed to create a soft but aggressive atmosphere absolutely consistent.
The arrangements and the selection of instuments is impeccable, yes some songs keep the ABAB structure, but that's not bad per se, this structure has been used in several genres, the problem is how it is used.
The beauty of the album relies in how well the band managed to work using a simple structure and outstanding arrangements and despite being simple essentially, is the main influence for the most complex albums in history and one of the starting points for the most challenging musical genre ever.
IMHO It's an amazing work.
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Overrated: How can all this millions of idiots don't agree with me that this album is crap if I say it's crap?
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Chris H
Prog Reviewer Joined: October 08 2006 Location: Charlotte, NC Status: Offline Points: 8191 |
Posted: February 21 2007 at 02:07 | |
Hayl naw!
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Progger
Forum Senior Member Joined: April 26 2005 Status: Offline Points: 1188 |
Posted: February 21 2007 at 03:30 | |
As a debut album it's really good!
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fuxi
Prog Reviewer Joined: March 08 2006 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 2459 |
Posted: February 21 2007 at 03:36 | |
Please explain. |
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Alibongo
Forum Senior Member Joined: January 10 2007 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 103 |
Posted: February 21 2007 at 05:44 | |
Definetly not, ITCOTCK is probably the strongest debut album from any prog group of that era, perhaps they didn't go on to have as much success after this album as we perhaps may have expected them to, but this album is a very strong debut. Not overated at all. |
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