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Slartibartfast 
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 Posted: November 30 2007 at 12:54 |
 Dick Heath wrote:
[QUOTE=RoyalJelly]I haven't heard Buckethead's solo music, but I can say this. He
played on the last album of the greatest drummer of all time,
Tony Williams. The group is called Arcana, it's a Bill Laswell
project he did with Tony, the album is called "Arc of the
Testimony", Tony Williams died just after it was released. It has
a Crimsonesque feel to it, but with Pharoah Sanders
saxaphone it has an unbelievably sublime, spiritual ambience.
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As it happens, KC cover a Pharoah Sanders track on the KCCC issue Live At Summit Studios, Denver.
BTW One Buckethead album up at least in PA, under Jonas Hellborg's name : Octave Of the Holy Innocents - one of the best jazz rock fusion albums of the 90's IMHO.
Bill Laswell's name comes a number of times associated with Buckethead - e.g. check out the v difficult to define music of Praxis. |
I got into mr. head courstesy of Les Claypool's Bucket of Bernie Brains. It turned out I already had him in my collection on Bill Laswell's Divination Ambient Dub Volume 1.
I've not only got the Arcana album, it's excellent, and I also work at a small firm called Arcana.  He's already got one foot at least on this site - Octave of the Holy Innocents with Hellborg and Shrieve another excellent album as already mentioned^.
Edited by Slartibartfast - November 30 2007 at 12:59
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ino_100
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Posted: November 30 2007 at 12:49 |
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Try the album : Chicken Noodles
you will hear prog, believe me
And try the group Thanatopsis (another buckethead group)
youtube link to Thanatopsis :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKcsbqzdfQ8
Edited by ino_100 - November 30 2007 at 13:04
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: August 20 2007 at 11:53 |
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Well ... he was rejected by the PMT (although we could discuss him again) so that leaves prog related and Art Rock ... I don't think that he's much more progressive than Vai so prog related would probably be the best solution.
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mystic fred
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Posted: August 20 2007 at 10:26 |
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
^^ Prog Related I presume? |
it doesn't say Mike 
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: August 20 2007 at 08:45 |
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^^ Prog Related I presume?
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andu
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Posted: August 20 2007 at 07:54 |
Hooray 
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mystic fred
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Posted: August 20 2007 at 03:31 |
Buckethead has been approved for addition and is on the new " Artists to add" list. 
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1800iareyay
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Posted: August 19 2007 at 22:01 |
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Well, Vai is in related, but Buckethead I would classify as more progressive. I don't think he'd fit in prog metal, and avant's a stretch, so he might as well go in related. I disagree w/ micky and Ivan. Malmsteen doesn't need to be added first (though he could easily be on the site in related as an influence on prog). Bucethead's compositions sound nothing like Malmsteen's. Yngwie uses neoclassical sarpeggios and adaptions of classical music to show off his playing. Buckethead incorporates electronic, hip-hop, funk, metal, classical, blues, trance, and a lot more
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cookieacquired
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Posted: August 19 2007 at 21:47 |
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yes but where do we put him?
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: August 18 2007 at 15:02 |
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^ *sigh* ... what happened to brevity ... I thought it was a virtue!
The problem with Buckethead is that he really has so many different styles ... it's almost like he decided to never release two albums with similar styles. He could either be added to the archives as progressive metal shred (which allmusic call "virtuoso") because of highly experimental/technical/avant-garde albums like Kaleidoscalp ... or he could be added as a Post Rock artist because of ambient/experimental stuff like Colma. Personally I think that he would be best in Prog Related, because - as you so eloquently put - he's more experimental than prog.
BTW: Sorry about the earthquake ... hope the people of the devastated areas recover from the catastrophy. A friend of mine was in the area twelve months ago (Pisco).
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: August 18 2007 at 14:39 |
Retrovertigo wrote:
I think that if anybody heard albums like Bucketheadland or Giant Robot they would understand that Buckethead creates very progressive music. Highly experimental, conceptual, funky, fusion, prog-metal, and most of all avant-garde.
Please, the terms Conceptual, highly experimental funky, fusion, etc doesn't imply necesarilly Prog.
What is very Progressicve Music please? Or somebody is a Progressive Rock artist (along his/he career) or not.
At allmusic he's listed as:
Please don't use Allmusic as an example, is one of the most inaccurate site in the net (A good resources though), I made lots of corrections, most of them not even in Prog which could be my area of expertice, they even used to describe Triumvirat as "Finland band A La Focus"
We of course know that Triumvirat is not from Finland or has the slightest relation with the soft Flemish sound of Focus, after that, I expect anything.Electronic/Avant-Garde/Minimalist Music; Lets see in advance: Electronuic, Minimalistic, Avant Garde, Experimental Riock, Experimental (plain and simple  ), Jazz, Metal, Funk Metal, Prog Metal, Progresive Rock, guitar virtuoso, Instrumental Rock, Art Rock...What is missing? Salsa, Rap, Hip Hop and reggaeton (Well, he's been working with the underground Hip Hop scenario and Allmusic mentions it but has forgoten to add it in his styles).
- Experimental Rock: What does experimental means? I'm sure that for a Prog fan Yes and Genesis are not experimental, but probably for a mainstream fan REM and OMD where experimental.
- Fusion: Well, if they throw 30 words they have to go right with some.
- Experimental: Now not only Experimental Rock, but also experimental??? What does this means? Is he classical or neo Classical to avoid the Rock component?
- Funk Metal: Funk Metal I'm not remotely a Metal expert but haven't heard of Funk Metal before, well I heard it but to describe bands as Red Hot Chili Peppers and Faith no Moree.
- Guitar Virtuoso: Holy God is this a genre??? If it is,we are before the most subjective I ever heard, a musicin can be a virtuoso for me and not for hundreed of others. If I had a dime for each time I read Hackett is a meiocre or average guitar player, I would be rich by now.
Look how funny, Allmusic doesn't mention Guitar Virtuoso in the summary of
- Steve Hackett,
- Steve Howe,
- Eric Clapton,
- John Mc'Laughlin,
But they say it's an style performeb by Buckethead (????)
- Heavy Metal: Well that's as obvious as saying Elvis played Rock & Roll- Progressive Metal: Well guys does he play Metal or Prog Metal, lets decide.- Instrumental Rock: What's that Rock played with instruments? Or maybe a band that doesn't usually sing? In any both cases...Is this a valid genre, style or mood?- Prog-Rock/Art Rock: Prog Metal is a sub-genre of Prog Rock, but if they also add him in Prog Rock is a pleonasm.
Please this guys throw 100 genres and moods and then styles so they hit one or two. The center of the problem is that they throw names but don't care of explaibning anyone.
Nice lineup eh?
I know we've said we can't add John Zorn because he's jazz, but here we have a guitar John Zorn who plays avant-prog-rock. And those of you who think he's just a shredder who played with Guns 'N Roses for a while, think again.
As Tony said, not every Avant musician has to be Prog and not every talented guitar performer either.
Please if Avant team and Prog Metal team reject him, don't try to go for the consolation prize of Prog Related.
And please lets worry about the thousand of real, recognized and clearly Prog Musicians not yet included before any barely related one.
Strangely I agree with Micky this time, to justify Bucketthead we would need to add Malmsteen before, and he's clearly a Neo Classical Metal Guitar player not a Prog one by chance.
Leave metal related bands to the Prog Metal Team, they have been formed before all the other teams and a well known band or artist hasn't included there by them, there must be a reason, lets give them the trust they deserve.
Iván
BTW: If we add Buckethead must we add the soundtracks of Last Action Hero and Street Fighter? 
But he will be added probably so what's the point?
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Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - August 18 2007 at 14:48
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Tapfret
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Posted: August 17 2007 at 23:12 |
jikai55 wrote:
Has this gone anywhere? |
The powers that be, according to the Ratingfreak submissions page I saw, gave him a very resounding "NO". 
On that note, I will say that the first time I saw him play live was at the "International Progressive Rock Festival" at the Palace of Fine Arts in San Francisco, 1999. He was followed by Porcupine Tree and Magma. He was definitely more prog based than the act that preceded him, "Lana Lane and the Rocket Scientists", the only act I walked out on that weekend. The guy uses nunchuks on stage, it is well known that nunchuks are only used by ninjas and prog artists, and he's to tall to be a ninja.
Edited by Tapfret - August 17 2007 at 23:12
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jikai55
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Posted: August 17 2007 at 11:53 |
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Has this gone anywhere?
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I like cheese and I like metal! --Mikael Åkerfeldt
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Proletariat
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Posted: April 29 2007 at 20:47 |
YESSS! FOR GODS SAKES YES!
so mabe he isnt "classic" prog but his stuff all has prog elements and Kaleidoscalp is one of the most avant records I have heard in a long time.
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Asyte2c00
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Posted: April 29 2007 at 20:45 |
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Buckethead is definitely avat0garde prog, I dont see why not.
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Ghandi 2
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Posted: April 29 2007 at 20:43 |
Hahaha, el bothy hasn't changed much in two years. ;-)
I've never heard much from him, so I don't really care.
Edited by Ghandi 2 - April 29 2007 at 20:46
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FruMp
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Posted: April 28 2007 at 05:40 |
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Praxis should DEFINATELY be on this site, I'm going to personally submit it - what an awesome group, bootsie collins on bass, the keyboardist from funkadelic on keys, brain on drums and buckethead on guitar.
VERY experimental, if you need proof get the album 'Transmutation (Mutatis Mutandis)', the first song spans from speed metal to shred to dub to funk to electronica.
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: April 27 2007 at 12:50 |
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^ which albums do you base this opinion on? They're all very, very different ...
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oracus
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Posted: April 27 2007 at 12:44 |
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No, i dont think so that his stuff may considered prog. Maybe sounds little prog now and then, but thats all.
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Philéas
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Posted: April 27 2007 at 12:33 |
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Why not? He would fit well, in my opinion.
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