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Man Overboard 
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 Posted: June 19 2007 at 02:22 |
 Fight Club wrote:
Man Overboard wrote:
Winand007 wrote:
well the album wasn't prog at all, just alternative in my eyes |
And who the hell are you? Linkin Park is on your top 10 list and they're bloody awful, maybe you should be removed from the Archives. Your eyes are blind and your opinion is worthless.
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That's a little harsh there man. Did you ever think maybe he never used his last fm much and used to listen to sh*t music? During that time he may have racked up quite a few plays for LP before getting into prog. I have a lot of friends like that including myself. Don't be so quick to judge even if you could be right. |
His Last.FM is active, I checked first. His recent stuff is a combination of angst-rock and technical w**kery, with a few decent bands thrown in... of -course- he didn't appreciate dredg, he doesn't have the maturity. As for my harshness... what else do you expect from me? 
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Fight Club
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Posted: June 18 2007 at 15:34 |
Man Overboard wrote:
Winand007 wrote:
well the album wasn't prog at all, just alternative in my eyes |
And who the hell are you? Linkin Park is on your top 10 list and they're bloody awful, maybe you should be removed from the Archives. Your eyes are blind and your opinion is worthless.
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That's a little harsh there man. Did you ever think maybe he never used his last fm much and used to listen to sh*t music? During that time he may have racked up quite a few plays for LP before getting into prog. I have a lot of friends like that including myself. Don't be so quick to judge even if you could be right.
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SoundscapeMN
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Posted: June 18 2007 at 15:32 |
Winand007 wrote:
well the album wasn't prog at all, just alternative in my eyes |
people have argued Genesis isn''t "prog" either..lol.
geez..the prog-snobbery..but what should anyone expect? 
Edited by SoundscapeMN - June 18 2007 at 15:33
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Man Overboard
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Posted: June 18 2007 at 15:21 |
Winand007 wrote:
well the album wasn't prog at all, just alternative in my eyes
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And who the hell are you? Linkin Park is on your top 10 list and
they're bloody awful, maybe you should be removed from the Archives. Your eyes are blind and your opinion is worthless.
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Winand007
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Posted: June 18 2007 at 12:06 |
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well the album wasn't prog at all, just alternative in my eyes
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FragileDT
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Posted: June 18 2007 at 11:02 |
chamberry wrote:
^^^ If you think you're sick of these threads imagine the members that have been here since 2004-2005. There's nothing we can do. Just go with the flow.
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Haha Amen to that. Dredg should be here. End of story.
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KeyserSoze
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Posted: June 18 2007 at 00:42 |
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Yes, I was told that it's from the word "dredge"
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chamberry
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Posted: June 17 2007 at 23:21 |
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I think it's like edge, but with D and R first.
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Drew
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Posted: June 17 2007 at 23:09 |
how do you pronounce the name of this band?
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heyitsthatguy
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Posted: June 17 2007 at 14:37 |
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chamberry
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Posted: June 17 2007 at 14:31 |
^^^ If you think you're sick of these threads imagine the members that have been here since 2004-2005. There's nothing we can do. Just go with the flow.
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heyitsthatguy
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Posted: June 17 2007 at 14:18 |
*RANT TIME* I absolutely hate threads like this, they're counter productive and they don't accomplish anything and we get about five a week. It's always the same story: "I don't like modern band A and think that they're not progressive, could someone take them off the site?" and then the responses are either "I agree" or "they're on the site to stay" and they stay on the site and nothing happens. THIS SITE IS LIKE A BROKEN RECORD!!! [/rant] sorry, but I've seen this way too much, it's like PA's trapped in limbo also, no offense meant to Winand007 
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Moatilliatta
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Posted: June 17 2007 at 14:10 |
Asyte2c00 wrote:
El Cielo has its moments, but Leitmotif is flawless.
Its what got me into them in the first place |
I would reverse that statement, personally.
And, if any of you actually studied the concept and arrangement of either El Cielo or Catch Without Arms, you would be pretty amazed at the intricacy of it all.
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KeyserSoze
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Posted: June 17 2007 at 11:52 |
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Dredg are great and El Cielo is one of the best albums released after the year 2000. Period.
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Fight Club
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Posted: June 17 2007 at 11:46 |
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Maybe they could call them prog related?
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darkmatter
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Posted: June 17 2007 at 10:25 |
Winand007 wrote:
well i listened to Catch Without Arms and didn't liked it, haven't heard the other albums yet
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You should at least listen to El Cielo, I think it's their best in my opinion. But I also think Catch Without Arms is their weakest, so don't judge them on that album alone.
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dltonya
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Posted: June 17 2007 at 10:20 |
alan_pfeifer wrote:
Dredg are one of the best Art Rock bands out there. They are more than deserving of their spot on this site. |
I'll second that. I believe they fit just fine as an art rock band. Just because a band doesn't sound like one of the prog masters (Genesis, Yes, Gentle Giant, King Crimson) in and of itself is not a reason to classify a band as non-prog. We all have different tastes and different ideas to what prog can be.
I, for one, use some odd criteria for judging whether something is prog. One of my criteria is the "general public" factor. For example, is the band I'm listening to create music that is too advanced for the general public to understand or even appreciate? In this case, El Cielo and Leitmotif fit that criteria. The music is too good to ever get radio play.
Another criteria I use is the "push the envelope" test. For example, does the band create music that pushes beyond the standard music formula. The key here is that I'm not comparing them to the 70's prog masters, few bands outside Anglagard and Anekdoten could achieve that comparison. Rather, I am comparing them to their contemporary peers. I can think of nothing in the current popular music scene that approaches Dredg's first two albums.
El Cielo is an ambitious and artistic endeavor based on an odd concept / inspiration. And if you've never heard the 5.1 SACD version, you're doing yourself a great disservice. This is an album that really was designed to play like a soundtrack and in 5.1 it really shines in its ability to convey a very well styled mood.
I will agree that Catch Without Arms is more of an alternative album than an art rock album, but there are countless bands here that straddle the grey area between prog and non-prog some time in their careers. And some of those bands, Jethro Tull and Rush for example, are considered stalwarts of the progressive rock scene!
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Snow Dog
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Posted: June 17 2007 at 08:17 |
Winand007 wrote:
well i listened to Catch Without Arms and didn't liked it, haven't heard the other albums yet |
"didn't liked it" = Not Prog?
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Winand007
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Posted: June 17 2007 at 08:14 |
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well i listened to Catch Without Arms and didn't liked it, haven't heard the other albums yet
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alan_pfeifer
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Posted: June 17 2007 at 07:24 |
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Dredg are one of the best Art Rock bands out there. They are more than deserving of their spot on this site.
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it's just somewhat redundant at times when you see nothing but "remove Radiohead and dredg" threads amidst the "Who else hates DT" threads....actually, there hasn't been a full on hatred thread in a while....hmmm...
