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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 09 2007 at 11:09
Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

have said it time and time again.... VDGG's Plague of Lighthouse Keepers.  The first half is simply incredible.. but the 2nd half is a catatonious frickin mess and it completely ruins it.  People.... but even worse.. sometimes musicians ... seem to forget that music first and foremost needs to be listeneable.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 09 2007 at 11:25
I have yet to find an epic i dont like.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 09 2007 at 11:45
Originally posted by Floydian42 Floydian42 wrote:

Karn Evil 9, I'm sorry. I just did NOT like that song. Confused


Yeah, I forgot to add KE9 in my list. The first 13 minutes are great but and IMO they should've stopped there.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 09 2007 at 12:23
Originally posted by el böthy el böthy wrote:

Ricochet is right, let us talk about other epics, not just Yes and Jethro Tull...

How about Nemo? God, I just dont like Nemo, they are so souless to me, I get absolutly nothing out of them and their first epic Philéas just shows that good musicianship and some ideas here and there do not make up for 20 min of good music. Now, here Im being a bit too critical maybe... but Nemo is a band that I have heard so much about and has let me down so badly, specially when it comes to the epics!


Heh, I love Nemo.  Though I admit that they are a bit "cold" at times.  I think their production accounts for a lot of that though.

Still, I kind of agree about Philéas, but only to the extent that I don't really think it's even an "epic".  It seems like 4 separate  pieces of music to me.

As to modern epics I don't like much, The Flower Kings "Love Supreme" is more of a really long song than an actual epic in structure and they just drag out a fairly uninteresting melody over 19 minutes.  Pretty boring for me, and I am a big fan of The Flower Kings, especially their epic tracks.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 09 2007 at 12:34
Two that spring to mind immediately are KE9 and Passion Play...both had the potential to be excellent but couldn't go the distance, so you get a 60/40 balance of brilliance vs. fluff and utter dross.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 09 2007 at 12:41
Close to the Edge. No, seriesly. The first couple of minutes are quite interesting, but from their on out its a cure for insomnia.

Stardust We Are. the Flower Kings seem to have a problem with not knowing when to stop recording songs, or how to shorten songs that drag on too long. The entire SWA album  is too long, and he first time I heard the closing epic I was 10 minutes in before I checked and found that, yes, it was SWA that was playing, it just sounded exactly the same to the previous 24 songs on the album.

Octavarium. Utter drivel, the intro's too long, the structure doesnt work too well and the whole thing should have been 12 instead of 24 minutes, plus the production on the whole album sucks so you cant here the bass except for a couple of parts.

The World that we Drive Through. See Stardust We Are, same problem here on this epic from The Tangent.

Nine Feet Underground, Caravan. Extremely boring except for one section towards the end.

Moon in June, Soft Machine. Really dont like the first 10 minutes, but picks up fantastically after that.

___On Limpid Form and Amaranth the Peddler, Kayo Dot. The lat two songs on Dowsing Anamone... and they are both very repetitive and incredibly dull.

Anesthetize, Porcupine Tree. Just very boring.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 09 2007 at 12:44
Originally posted by Shakespeare Shakespeare wrote:


Originally posted by TheMadCap TheMadCap wrote:

For me the most disappointing epic is Thick as a Brick. This song is just to long and boring for me. I've listened to it only a few times and heard the whole thing only a couple. Every time I listen to it I find myself changing to another song at about minute 14. After that I just get bored and have to stop.
Yet you have Animals as your avatar... Animals is much more boring than TaaB. Do you find Dark Side boring? Because it is more or less two side-long songs, the only difference is it is cut into songs and Taab isn't.


Scientists have recently made a major breakthrough! They discovered something which they decided to call "opinions", I think you should look into it.


And I refuse to listen to Micky, Raff and Stonebeard, A Plague of Lighthouse Keepers is 23 minutes and 5 seconds of pure musical extacy
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 09 2007 at 12:46
Supper's Ready and Octavarium.

Supper's Ready - The ultimate song...or ultimate epic of prog? You can't be real, it was more of a collection of songs then one long piece. The beginning and end are great, but they got lost somewhere in between.

Octavarium - Loved this song, after a while I couldn't understand why. Long drawn out intro on the continuim, followed by an extremely long verse. The instrumental is the only notable thing on that song and the album.
Dream Theater had like 3 other albums with 8 songs...what were they trying to pull off with this album .
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 09 2007 at 12:58
The one that immediately comes to mind is "Temporary Peace" from "Fine Day to Exit" by Anathema. Clearly the last 13 or so minutes are just a waste. "WHAT ABOUT DOGS AND CATS AND CHICKENS!: ...why?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 09 2007 at 13:07
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 09 2007 at 14:40
Originally posted by ProgBagel ProgBagel wrote:

Supper's Ready - The ultimate song...or ultimate epic of prog? You can't be real, it was more of a collection of songs then one long piece. The beginning and end are great, but they got lost somewhere in between.
 
I agree 100%.
 
I would also add that I don't care for Gates of Delirium up until Soon.  Plague of Lighthouse Keepers is also borderline, as is Battle of Epping Forest.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 09 2007 at 15:04
Originally posted by ConfusedGenius ConfusedGenius wrote:

The one that immediately comes to mind is "Temporary Peace" from "Fine Day to Exit" by Anathema. Clearly the last 13 or so minutes are just a waste. "WHAT ABOUT DOGS AND CATS AND CHICKENS!: ...why?


I wouldn't call it an epic, because it's really just a 5 or 6 minute song with extra material following it....
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 09 2007 at 15:06
Oh, it's totally Supper's Ready. I used to like it a lot, but somehow that disappeared.
"The End" was a disappointing one that i eventually warmed a lot to, so that's cool...

'Let's give it another fifteen seconds..'
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 09 2007 at 15:15
Originally posted by sleeper sleeper wrote:

Close to the Edge. No, seriesly. The first couple of minutes are quite interesting, but from their on out its a cure for insomnia.


I kindly disagree with his statement. And for those who are bashing on Gates, go and re-listen to it you punks, because it is one of progs greatest epics.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 09 2007 at 15:51
Originally posted by zachfive zachfive wrote:

Originally posted by sleeper sleeper wrote:

Close to the Edge. No, seriesly. The first couple of minutes are quite interesting, but from their on out its a cure for insomnia.


I kindly disagree with his statement. And for those who are bashing on Gates, go and re-listen to it you punks, because it is one of progs greatest epics.

Fair enough, doesnt mean your right though.Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 09 2007 at 16:19
Originally posted by Shakespeare Shakespeare wrote:

Originally posted by TheMadCap TheMadCap wrote:

For me the most disappointing epic is Thick as a Brick. This song is just to long and boring for me. I've listened to it only a few times and heard the whole thing only a couple. Every time I listen to it I find myself changing to another song at about minute 14. After that I just get bored and have to stop.

Yet you have Animals as your avatar...Animals is much more boring than TaaB.
Do you find Dark Side boring? Because it is more or less two side-long songs, the only difference is it is cut into songs and Taab isn't.
I love both Animals and Dark Side but I'm bias because that's my all time favorite band. But I will also say since posting I listened to Thick as a Brick and ?I found it much less boring even though I fell asleep for smoe parts. I think I didn't like it because the last time I had listneed to it was before I was big into prog.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 09 2007 at 16:24
The Battle of Epping Forest - Easily the most annoying Gabriel era Genesis epic.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 09 2007 at 16:32
Any Traffic one, say Low Spark, Dream Gerard, Rollright Stones (if it's possible to call 'em epics)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 09 2007 at 16:36
a lot of people are complaining about  The Battle of Epping Forest but I would hardly consider that an epic it's only 11:50
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 09 2007 at 16:38
Originally posted by TheMadCap TheMadCap wrote:

a lot of people are complaining about  The Battle of Epping Forest but I would hardly consider that an epic it's only 11:50
Medium length epic, but boring nonetheless Wink
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