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martinprog77
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Posted: October 10 2007 at 03:47 |
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Novalis
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Posted: October 10 2007 at 03:54 |
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Norbert
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Posted: October 10 2007 at 08:28 |
Anyone who mentions Yes of the '70's or VDGG or Supper's ready should run for cover...
Personally I am quite underwhelmed by The Great Nothing( quite an appropriate title) and Octavarium. No real direction or point in these pieces, they don't do much to me, although they have some good parts.
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Novalis
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Posted: October 10 2007 at 21:24 |
Norbert wrote:
Anyone who mentions Yes of the '70's or VDGG or Supper's ready should run for cover... |
Because God forbid we go against the status quo.
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ProgBagel
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Posted: October 11 2007 at 01:46 |
Just saw a review of it on the archives...the Fantomas album...can't even remember the name delerium cordia or something like that. I listened to it once, just over an hour of noise.
But it's probably not considered an epic.
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Teh_Slippermenz
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Posted: October 11 2007 at 02:07 |
Shine On You Crazy Diamond by Pink Floyd. Really, it didn't live up to my expectations, and it's kind of boring.
*ignites controversy among the prog fans of the entire world*
Edited by Teh_Slippermenz - October 11 2007 at 02:08
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Astrodomine
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Posted: October 11 2007 at 02:37 |
Shine On for me too. I always found it boring and generic.
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salmacis
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Posted: October 11 2007 at 09:45 |
Cannot think of one Genesis epic I dislike from any era of the band; I genuinely love them all (though some longer tracks on 'Calling All Stations' drag a bit). In fact, there are few of the 70s classics that have ever disappointed me. 'Awaken' in particular is simply staggering, IMHO; the climax of that track is arguably the finest thing Yes ever recorded, IMHO. But there's an embarassment of riches when you're talking about the great Yes epics.
Their later epics are another matter; the ABWH album has not aged at all well, but more importantly, I find a lot of the longer tracks on that to be weak and even cheesy ('Teakbois', 'Order Of The Universe'). 'That That Is' from 'Keys To Ascension' I found to be monumentally disappointing as well. It starts off really well but dovetails into nothing, IMHO. Unfortunately that nothing is about 20 minutes long though. I love 'Mind Drive', 'Homeworld' and 'In The Presence Of', though, so they can still do it.
Marillion's 'Grendel' is kind of an 'amateur hour' equivalent of a prog epic, IMHO. It's very dated, IMHO, and the band seem to be ashamed of it these days! There was a great bit in the Fish concert I saw not so long ago where there was an introductory film that made fun of the constant calls for 'Grendel' that he still gets.
Rush's 'Hemispheres' I find to be overstuffed, personally. I know some think it's their best album and fair enough, but I don't think that track coheres very well despite some good moments. There's too much going on, IMHO.
Keith Emerson's 'Piano Concerto' doesn't do it for me at all. The band were often criticised for having pretentions to being classical musicians and this is the clearest indication of that criticism. At least 'Pictures At An Exhibition' is adventurous and exciting (I love it), but I find this concerto to be as dull as ditchwater. Having said that, I did see a version of it Keith did with his band and it was really excellent. Perhaps it's the orchestrations I have a problem with.
As for IQ, I generally love their work (I will say I find the 'neo' bands to be much better at songwriting and constructing epics than they are given credit for, especially on their more modern albums) but 'Subterranea' as an album doesn't click with me fully. I think there's some excellent material on it but a lot of padding too, IMHO. If it was one disc I'm sure I'd like it a lot more than I do.
Then we get to Glass Hammer...I know some absolutely swear by 'The Inconsolable Secret' but I find almost every epic on there to be poorly written, appearing 'piecemeal' in construction. It's all very well pandering to fans who love a good epic (as I do myself) and indeed, I have no problem with bands writing songs in the 70s style, but please, have some good songwriting skills rather than piecing together sections randomly without coherence. I have this issue with some Flower Kings epics; 'Driver's Seat' springs to mind. There's a bit in that where it just stops completely dead and heads somewhere else.  And I struggle to accept 'Devil's Playground' as a coherent epic as well.
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el böthy
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Posted: October 11 2007 at 11:45 |
I too used to dislike Hemispheres, now I like it a bit more, but I still find it to be the weakest track of the album.
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TheMadCap
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Posted: October 11 2007 at 12:46 |
I use to hate Shine On You Scrazy Diamond but I have come to love that song.
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dwill123
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Posted: October 11 2007 at 14:51 |
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micky
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Posted: October 11 2007 at 17:41 |
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The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip
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micky
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Posted: October 11 2007 at 17:46 |
to talk of truly disapointing epics... I have to say the poster child is Karn Evil 9...
talk about ALL over the place.... the first part of first impression... oh my god.... totally out of this world..
the second part of the first impression...the less said the
better.. when anything from a prog group is used in Dr. Pepper
commerical where a 300 pound football lineman is dancing .... simply is
the posterchild for disappointing hahha
2nd impression.... back to OMG... the problem
though.... what does it have anything to do with where this epic
started.
the 3rd impression... the theme of the epic is finally fleshed out... yet the music has put me to sleep.
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pickle
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Posted: October 13 2007 at 10:37 |
Marillion's This Strange Engine (title track) seems like H's emulation of the And When Did You Last See Your Father story by Blake Morrison. That last bit where H is laughing crazily always reminded me of Spike Jones & The City Slickers' I Went To Your Wedding!
I'll get the Monty Python foot crashing down on me for this, but I felt both discs of Kate Bush's Aerial needed a decent edit. If I want to hear someone burbling on about their child, I'll listen to my sister!
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Abstrakt
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Posted: October 13 2007 at 14:11 |
Hmmm...
Shadow Gallery - First Light (Not sure if it's even an epic, it's a long song then alot of silence and then another song at the end to me)
Pink Floyd - Atom Heart Mother (Good song, but some parts makes me sleepy)
King Crimson - Lizard (First part is enough)
Emerson, Lake & Palmer - Karn Evil 9 (Good song, but i expected much better)
And i'm surprised that several epics mentioned are favorites of mine 
Yes - All of "Tales from Topographic Oceans"
Caravan - Nine Feet Underground
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Visitor13
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Posted: October 13 2007 at 14:28 |
Abstrakt wrote:
King Crimson - Lizard (First part is enough) |
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el böthy
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Posted: October 13 2007 at 15:02 |
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"You want me to play what, Robert?"
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sleeper
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Posted: October 13 2007 at 15:11 |
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Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005
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Sckxyss
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Posted: October 13 2007 at 16:59 |
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Gog/Magog
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Posted: October 13 2007 at 17:02 |
The Sky Moves Backwards is pretty rubbish...but then Porcupine Tree have been getting pretty rubbish the more they go on (and on and on etc)
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