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tszirmay ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: August 17 2006 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 6673 |
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The following are groups strongly influenced by Yes, who do you feel is the closest without falling into being a clone?
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febus ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator / In Memoriam Joined: January 23 2007 Location: Orlando-Usa Status: Offline Points: 4312 |
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I think STARCASTLE was kind of a YES clone, nothing wrong with that as the music could be good. You are in a cheese mood tonight, so i'll keep it French and go with ATOLL. Le morbier, c'est bon |
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tszirmay ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: August 17 2006 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 6673 |
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Bon choix, mon ami
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Hercules ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() Joined: June 14 2007 Location: Near York UK Status: Offline Points: 7024 |
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Starcastle were a Yes clone - they could have been a tribute band. None of the rest are really that close to Yes, though there are elements which are derivative.
I once again stand up for Druid. They are often accused of copying Yes, but they were influenced by many other bands apart from Yes and their two albums are essential listening to any prog fan. I play Toward the Sun far more than any Yes album. |
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ghost_of_morphy ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: March 08 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2755 |
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Starcastle is NOT a Yes clone. Note the following review of Citadel.
If I were going to vote for a band that sounds like Yes, The Flower Kings (or just maybe Glass Hammer) would get my vote for sounding closest. |
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Paper Champion ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 15 2008 Location: Russia Status: Offline Points: 176 |
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From this very list it should be Starcastle for me. They sound very similar to Yes.
By the way, it's unreasonable to regard The Flower Kings and (particularly) The Tangent as Yes' clones. To my mind, these bands do have some Yes influences, but hold to the sound of their own without ripping off Yes' stuff. Edited by Paper Champion - April 27 2008 at 13:01 |
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Prog-jester ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: June 05 2005 Location: Love Beach Status: Offline Points: 5920 |
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Ad Infinitum anyone?
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stonebeard ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May 27 2005 Location: NE Indiana Status: Offline Points: 28057 |
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Glass Hammer take Yes as an influence, but I think there is no cloning going on whatsoever.
Honestly, I've never heard a band that sounds significantly like Yes. |
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Ivan_Melgar_M ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 27 2004 Location: Peru Status: Offline Points: 19557 |
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I agree with that except for Starcastle.
Glass Hammer is an excellent and mature band that deserves to be recognized for them and not for being clones.
Iván
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tszirmay ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: August 17 2006 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 6673 |
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RATS! I forgot about that one, I even have it in my collection. I guess it's too big
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The Quiet One ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: January 16 2008 Location: Argentina Status: Offline Points: 15745 |
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Hey why FK...Starcastle for sure, but they got some nice things though.
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FLAME DREAM from Switzerland should also be on this list.
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ghost_of_morphy ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: March 08 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2755 |
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I still say if you are going to regard Starcastle as a clone, you should regard it as a CAMEL clone!!! |
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bruin69 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: February 15 2006 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 319 |
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Druid are the most obvious clones to me - they are sort of Yes-lite - Yes without the virtuoisity of playing or composition. Pleasant enough, but with a lot more skill and talent they could have been - well - Yes...
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I mentioned this in the Bruising Poll, but the band Blue Shift released 1 album, in which the singer sounds quite a lot like Jon Anderson (at least to my ears). I think that there is some similarities in music, but I kind of got more of an ELP vibe to their music. They also do a cover of Led Zeppelin's Immigrant Song, so if you ever wonder how that might have sound with Jon Anderson singing, you should check it out.
I also brought up Starcastle in a recent thread, wondering about how others have made the determination that they are influenced by or sound like Yes. As I mentioned in the other thread, there have been times when I was listening to my CD jukebox on random and a Starcastle song has started playing and I have had to stop and think which Yes song it was and off of which album before realizing that it was Starcastle. In my case though, I think it is as much about the Starcastle singer's voice sounding like Jon Anderson's voice as it is about the actual music. I feel that there are definitely similarities in some sounds, but not being a musician I can't tell if there is any actual "cloning" going on or not. Can anybody point out any particular Starcastle songs that sound exactly like a specific Yes song with the lyrics changed? I'm just kind of curious how this designation of Yes clone came about. Was it one particular song that sounded similar and now they are forever linked? Is it multiple songs? Or is it just because the voices sound similar? Any thoughts?
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Little known French outfit Atlantide may be the exception. Some of their work - especially the self-titled track from their lone eponymous album - is so Yes-like you may think they owe Yes some royalties! ...the French vocals do help them sound a little different, though. ![]() Edited by T.Rox - April 29 2008 at 17:42 |
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Dr. Prog ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: April 29 2008 Status: Offline Points: 306 |
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I would say Starcastle were certainly a poor man's Yes. Even bands that are close enough to be called 'clones' don't try to mimic particular songs and lyrics. They try to create some self identity within the obvious style. The first two Starcastle albums especially sounded like Yes without being Yes---the high vocals, the somewhat lengthy songs, the time changes, the fantasy land subject matter, the prominent use of synths and keyboards. Lady of the Lake, their most well known song, could have easlily fit on a Yes album and sounded similar had Anderson sung it. They also sound close to Camel, who also was certainly influenced by Yes, but they sound closest to Yes, no doubt. As stated above, they had no great guitar player like Howe, so they relied more on the keyboards. The design of the album covers certainly had a certain Yes look to them also, but again, just different enough not be a complete ripoff. Musically, of course, while Starcastle was good, they were not as talented as the members of Yes, and consequently, never were as successful.
The Flower Kings certainly were heavily influenced by Yes, as well as Genesis, but have managed to forge their own unique identity without 'cloning'. They are more apt to "jam" and have more of a jazzy influence on their albums, but certainly the emphasis on positive spiritual uplifting themes is a Yes characteristic, the propensity for sometimes overly long and complex songs that in some places cry out for some self editing (sometimes it appears that the FK are trying to do Topographic Oceans on almost every double album) is also a Yes trait, as well as the keyboard/guitar chops and interplay. Stardust We Are and Awaken are remarkably parallel in theme, lyrics and structure in many ways.
Glass Hammer aren't as overtly Yes, but certainly carry their influences, especially on the propensity to create sometimes unwieldy thematic compositions to the brink of being somewhat overblown. They sound sometimes like they are trying too hard to recreate what had already been done in the 70s, which carried over to their live performance when I saw them a few years ago.
You don't have the band Alaska up there as a choice. They only released one or two albums. Clear attempt as a Yes virtual clone with the lead singer Al Lewis a very high pitched Anderson style vocal. Also some ELP influence---2 man band with no guitar, all synths and drums. Lewis as I understand is now Starcastle's lead singer. So the circle is complete. Edited by Dr. Prog - April 29 2008 at 18:00 |
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tarkus2112 ![]() Forum Groupie ![]() ![]() Joined: February 01 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 51 |
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There is another band that sounds like Yes,they are called Alaska.
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Yes clones? I say why not? As long as we can eat them.
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Dr. Prog ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: April 29 2008 Status: Offline Points: 306 |
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uhh, see the last paragraph of the post before yours.......
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