The Only Toby Driver et al Thread You'll Ever Need

Pnoom! wrote: Shakespeare wrote: Pnoom! wrote: -it doesn't feel like the cohesive whole that Choirs is.  Sure, basically every track is amazing (the first three are pretty much perfect, On Limpid Form is amazing as well), but it doesn't feel like the single entity that is Choirs -On Limpid Form.  As amazing as it is, the grind that is the last 2/3 of the song just isn't as revelatory as you come to expect from the band that gives you Choirs of the Eye -Amaranth the Peddler.  Here's the real reason.  This song is about eight minutes too long.  In that middle section with the awesome melody, this song shows the potential to be a perfect, Pitcher of Summer-like track.  But it honestly drags on. -it never hits the highs of Choirs.  Let's face it.  As awesome as Dowsing gets at its best moments, it has nothing that rivals that first climax in The Manifold Curiosity, or the end of The Manifold Curiosity, or the deconstruction of Marathon, or the beauty of Wayfarer, or the crushing beauty of The Antique. Don't get me wrong, I absolutely adore Dowsing, but Choirs is, on every level, the better CD IMO. The problem with all your arguments is that they're subjective, and I respectfully disagree with them all. I know you're being snarky and all, but he asked a subjective question.

Then stop saying "Let's face it" you make it seem like you're being objective.

Also, page 3.

Equality 7-2521 wrote: I really have to disagree with your last statement especially. I feel that the crescendo in Amaranth The Peddler start "feathers..." is the highest point Kayo Dot has hit.

Not the highest (that would be the first climax of Manifold), but certainly up there.  The problem, IMO, is that the buildup to it (and builddown from it) both noodle far too much.

Also, I tend to feel Choirs of the Eye is a tiny bit formulaic in structure of songs from the quiet intros to the heavy dissonance.

Yeah, like Marathon, eh?

I think the reason I tend to enjoy it so much is don't hear the sections that so many people drag on. I very much like the minimalism and noise sections. Thanks for the in-depth response.

I love minimalism as well, but there's a difference between minimalism that noodles and minimalism that doesn't, and, unfortunately, I feel that Dowsing has too much of the kind that does.


Also, currently listening to: Blue Lambency Downward

Pnoom! wrote: Equality 7-2521 wrote: I refuse to listen to the new album until my hardcopy arrives, so I can't rank it but I say, DAWCT >>>> COTE I don't understand why Dowsing seems to do so poorly. Don't get me wrong, I'd say Choirs of the Eye is a 4.5~5 star album, but I still feel Dowsing is significantly better. Can some fellow Kayo Dot fans elaborate what it is that makes Dowsing worse than the others. -it doesn't feel like the cohesive whole that Choirs is.  Sure, basically every track is amazing (the first three are pretty much perfect, On Limpid Form is amazing as well), but it doesn't feel like the single entity that is Choirs -On Limpid Form.  As amazing as it is, the grind that is the last 2/3 of the song just isn't as revelatory as you come to expect from the band that gives you Choirs of the Eye -Amaranth the Peddler.  Here's the real reason.  This song is about eight minutes too long.  In that middle section with the awesome melody, this song shows the potential to be a perfect, Pitcher of Summer-like track.  But it honestly drags on. -it never hits the highs of Choirs.  Let's face it.  As awesome as Dowsing gets at its best moments, it has nothing that rivals that first climax in The Manifold Curiosity, or the end of The Manifold Curiosity, or the deconstruction of Marathon, or the beauty of Wayfarer, or the crushing beauty of The Antique. Don't get me wrong, I absolutely adore Dowsing, but Choirs is, on every level, the better CD IMO.

I really have to disagree with your last statement especially. I feel that the crescendo in Amaranth The Peddler start "feathers..." is the highest point Kayo Dot has hit.

Also, I tend to feel Choirs of the Eye is a tiny bit formulaic in structure of songs from the quiet intros to the heavy dissonance.

I think the reason I tend to enjoy it so much is don't hear the sections that so many people drag on. I very much like the minimalism and noise sections.

Thanks for the in-depth response.

Equality 7-2521 wrote: I refuse to listen to the new album until my hardcopy arrives, so I can't rank it but I say, DAWCT >>>> COTE I don't understand why Dowsing seems to do so poorly. Don't get me wrong, I'd say Choirs of the Eye is a 4.5~5 star album, but I still feel Dowsing is significantly better. Can some fellow Kayo Dot fans elaborate what it is that makes Dowsing worse than the others.

-it doesn't feel like the cohesive whole that Choirs is.  Sure, basically every track is amazing (the first three are pretty much perfect, On Limpid Form is amazing as well), but it doesn't feel like the single entity that is Choirs

-On Limpid Form.  As amazing as it is, the grind that is the last 2/3 of the song just isn't as revelatory as you come to expect from the band that gives you Choirs of the Eye

-Amaranth the Peddler.  Here's the real reason.  This song is about eight minutes too long.  In that middle section with the awesome melody, this song shows the potential to be a perfect, Pitcher of Summer-like track.  But it honestly drags on.

-it never hits the highs of Choirs.  Let's face it.  As awesome as Dowsing gets at its best moments, it has nothing that rivals that first climax in The Manifold Curiosity, or the end of The Manifold Curiosity, or the deconstruction of Marathon, or the beauty of Wayfarer, or the crushing beauty of The Antique.


Don't get me wrong, I absolutely adore Dowsing, but Choirs is, on every level, the better CD IMO.

Pnoom! wrote: Ementeht-Re is going to be awesome, but let's face it, at this point, Kayo Dot>Magma.

:|

Pnoom! wrote: but let's face it, at this point, Kayo Dot>Magma.

: o

Pnoom! wrote: Kayo Dot>Magma.

SHUN'D

that song from the split with Bloody Panda is completely horrifying, love it! 

Pnoom! wrote: laplace wrote: folly? ;P Anyway, band is neato and are currently winning 2008. They're in the lead. You heard.   Yeah, I changed my name to align with the other forums I visit.   I'm such a fanboy.   Total Toby Driver disco ranked/rated (except My Fruit Psychobells):     1. Choirs of the Eye (10.0) 2. Blue Lambency Downward (9.9) 3. Dowsing Anemone With Copper Tongue (9.8) 4. In the L..L..Library Loft (9.6) 5. Bath (9.5) 6. Sixty Metonymies (9.2) 7. Leaving Your Body Map (8.8)

what about My Fruit Psychobells?

Avantgardehead wrote: Every motW and Kayo Dot album is a 10 in my book, especially the new one. I love how they're all so different from each other.

That is indeed one of the best aspects of their music.

schizoid_man77 wrote: BLD went way down, whatsupwiththat?

I got over my fanboyism and gave it some fair listens.