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Shakespeare
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Posted: May 04 2008 at 00:27 |
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
I think the reason I tend to enjoy it so much is don't hear the
sections that so many people drag on. I very much like the minimalism
and noise sections.
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I agree with you on Dowsing. But isn't all music a noise section?
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Shakespeare
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Posted: May 04 2008 at 00:24 |
Pnoom! wrote:
Shakespeare wrote:
Pnoom! wrote:
-it doesn't feel like the cohesive whole that Choirs is. Sure, basically every track is amazing (the first three are pretty much perfect, On Limpid Form is amazing as well), but it doesn't feel like the single entity that is Choirs
-On Limpid Form. As amazing as it is, the grind that is the last 2/3 of the song just isn't as revelatory as you come to expect from the band that gives you Choirs of the Eye
-Amaranth the Peddler. Here's the real reason. This song is about eight minutes too long. In that middle section with the awesome melody, this song shows the potential to be a perfect, Pitcher of Summer-like track. But it honestly drags on.
-it never hits the highs of Choirs. Let's face it. As awesome as Dowsing gets at its best moments, it has nothing that rivals that first climax in The Manifold Curiosity, or the end of The Manifold Curiosity, or the deconstruction of Marathon, or the beauty of Wayfarer, or the crushing beauty of The Antique.
Don't get me wrong, I absolutely adore Dowsing, but Choirs is, on every level, the better CD IMO.
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The problem with all your arguments is that they're subjective, and I respectfully disagree with them all. 
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I know you're being snarky and all, but he asked a subjective question.
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Then stop saying "Let's face it" you make it seem like you're being objective.
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Dim
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Posted: May 04 2008 at 00:22 |
Dowsing gets better with every listen, but Choirs, after a couple of months of lack of understanding just jumped out at me, and took me completely by suprise. Choirs is definately the superior album, you get the excellent blend of metal, jazz, and minimalism, where IMO Dowsing underdoes the metal, and overdoes the jazz (aura on an asylum wall), and the minimalism (amaranth). Either way, Dowsing may get a five star from me, maybe.
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Pnoom!
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Posted: May 04 2008 at 00:21 |
Also, page 3.
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Pnoom!
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Posted: May 04 2008 at 00:17 |
Shakespeare wrote:
Pnoom! wrote:
-it doesn't feel like the cohesive whole that Choirs is. Sure, basically every track is amazing (the first three are pretty much perfect, On Limpid Form is amazing as well), but it doesn't feel like the single entity that is Choirs
-On Limpid Form. As amazing as it is, the grind that is the last 2/3 of the song just isn't as revelatory as you come to expect from the band that gives you Choirs of the Eye
-Amaranth the Peddler. Here's the real reason. This song is about eight minutes too long. In that middle section with the awesome melody, this song shows the potential to be a perfect, Pitcher of Summer-like track. But it honestly drags on.
-it never hits the highs of Choirs. Let's face it. As awesome as Dowsing gets at its best moments, it has nothing that rivals that first climax in The Manifold Curiosity, or the end of The Manifold Curiosity, or the deconstruction of Marathon, or the beauty of Wayfarer, or the crushing beauty of The Antique.
Don't get me wrong, I absolutely adore Dowsing, but Choirs is, on every level, the better CD IMO.
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The problem with all your arguments is that they're subjective, and I respectfully disagree with them all. 
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I know you're being snarky and all, but he asked a subjective question.
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Pnoom!
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Posted: May 04 2008 at 00:17 |
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
I really have to disagree with your last statement especially. I feel
that the crescendo in Amaranth The Peddler start "feathers..." is the
highest point Kayo Dot has hit. |
Not the highest (that would be the first climax of Manifold), but certainly up there. The problem, IMO, is that the buildup to it (and builddown from it) both noodle far too much.
Also, I tend to feel Choirs of the Eye is a tiny bit formulaic in
structure of songs from the quiet intros to the heavy dissonance. |
Yeah, like Marathon, eh?
I think the reason I tend to enjoy it so much is don't hear the
sections that so many people drag on. I very much like the minimalism
and noise sections.
Thanks for the in-depth response.
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I love minimalism as well, but there's a difference between minimalism that noodles and minimalism that doesn't, and, unfortunately, I feel that Dowsing has too much of the kind that does. Also, currently listening to: Blue Lambency Downward
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Shakespeare
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Posted: May 04 2008 at 00:08 |
Pnoom! wrote:
-it doesn't feel like the cohesive whole that Choirs is. Sure, basically every track is amazing (the first three are pretty much perfect, On Limpid Form is amazing as well), but it doesn't feel like the single entity that is Choirs
-On Limpid Form. As amazing as it is, the grind that is the last 2/3 of the song just isn't as revelatory as you come to expect from the band that gives you Choirs of the Eye
-Amaranth the Peddler. Here's the real reason. This song is about eight minutes too long. In that middle section with the awesome melody, this song shows the potential to be a perfect, Pitcher of Summer-like track. But it honestly drags on.
-it never hits the highs of Choirs. Let's face it. As awesome as Dowsing gets at its best moments, it has nothing that rivals that first climax in The Manifold Curiosity, or the end of The Manifold Curiosity, or the deconstruction of Marathon, or the beauty of Wayfarer, or the crushing beauty of The Antique.
Don't get me wrong, I absolutely adore Dowsing, but Choirs is, on every level, the better CD IMO.
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The problem with all your arguments is that they're subjective, and I respectfully disagree with them all.
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Equality 7-2521
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Posted: May 03 2008 at 23:59 |
Pnoom! wrote:
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
I refuse to listen to the new album until my hardcopy arrives, so I can't rank it but I say,
DAWCT >>>> COTE
I don't understand why Dowsing seems to do so poorly. Don't get me
wrong, I'd say Choirs of the Eye is a 4.5~5 star album, but I still
feel Dowsing is significantly better.
Can some fellow Kayo Dot fans elaborate what it is that makes Dowsing worse than the others.
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doesn't feel like the cohesive whole that Choirs is. Sure,
basically every track is amazing (the first three are pretty much
perfect, On Limpid Form is amazing as well), but it doesn't feel like
the single entity that is Choirs
-On Limpid Form. As
amazing as it is, the grind that is the last 2/3 of the song just isn't
as revelatory as you come to expect from the band that gives you Choirs
of the Eye
-Amaranth the Peddler. Here's the real
reason. This song is about eight minutes too long. In that
middle section with the awesome melody, this song shows the potential
to be a perfect, Pitcher of Summer-like track. But it honestly
drags on.
-it never hits the highs of Choirs. Let's face
it. As awesome as Dowsing gets at its best moments, it has
nothing that rivals that first climax in The Manifold Curiosity, or the
end of The Manifold Curiosity, or the deconstruction of Marathon, or
the beauty of Wayfarer, or the crushing beauty of The Antique.
Don't get me wrong, I absolutely adore Dowsing, but Choirs is, on every level, the better CD IMO.
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I really have to disagree with your last statement especially. I feel
that the crescendo in Amaranth The Peddler start "feathers..." is the
highest point Kayo Dot has hit.
Also, I tend to feel Choirs of the Eye is a tiny bit formulaic in
structure of songs from the quiet intros to the heavy dissonance.
I think the reason I tend to enjoy it so much is don't hear the
sections that so many people drag on. I very much like the minimalism
and noise sections.
Thanks for the in-depth response.
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avalanchemaster
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Posted: May 03 2008 at 23:54 |
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
I refuse to listen to the new album until my hardcopy arrives, so I can't rank it but I say,
DAWCT >>>> COTE
I don't understand why Dowsing seems to do so poorly. Don't get me
wrong, I'd say Choirs of the Eye is a 4.5~5 star album, but I still
feel Dowsing is significantly better.
Can some fellow Kayo Dot fans elaborate what it is that makes Dowsing worse than the others.
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dowsing took me longer to get into because it is more subtle in the songwriting, meaning the progressions seem to be much slower and it builds at a more languid pace than Choirs, which is completely immediate for me. Dowsing now sits as a masterpiece of progressive/jazzy doom madness. It is so tortured.....and it is not worse at all, just takes more listens to appreciate fully (like all of the greats). I am also waiting until I get a hardcopy to listen to the new one.....
Edited by avalanchemaster - May 03 2008 at 23:55
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Pnoom!
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Posted: May 03 2008 at 23:52 |
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
I refuse to listen to the new album until my hardcopy arrives, so I can't rank it but I say,
DAWCT >>>> COTE
I don't understand why Dowsing seems to do so poorly. Don't get me
wrong, I'd say Choirs of the Eye is a 4.5~5 star album, but I still
feel Dowsing is significantly better.
Can some fellow Kayo Dot fans elaborate what it is that makes Dowsing worse than the others.
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-it doesn't feel like the cohesive whole that Choirs is. Sure, basically every track is amazing (the first three are pretty much perfect, On Limpid Form is amazing as well), but it doesn't feel like the single entity that is Choirs -On Limpid Form. As amazing as it is, the grind that is the last 2/3 of the song just isn't as revelatory as you come to expect from the band that gives you Choirs of the Eye -Amaranth the Peddler. Here's the real reason. This song is about eight minutes too long. In that middle section with the awesome melody, this song shows the potential to be a perfect, Pitcher of Summer-like track. But it honestly drags on. -it never hits the highs of Choirs. Let's face it. As awesome as Dowsing gets at its best moments, it has nothing that rivals that first climax in The Manifold Curiosity, or the end of The Manifold Curiosity, or the deconstruction of Marathon, or the beauty of Wayfarer, or the crushing beauty of The Antique. Don't get me wrong, I absolutely adore Dowsing, but Choirs is, on every level, the better CD IMO.
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Equality 7-2521
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Posted: May 03 2008 at 23:43 |
I refuse to listen to the new album until my hardcopy arrives, so I can't rank it but I say,
DAWCT >>>> COTE
I don't understand why Dowsing seems to do so poorly. Don't get me
wrong, I'd say Choirs of the Eye is a 4.5~5 star album, but I still
feel Dowsing is significantly better.
Can some fellow Kayo Dot fans elaborate what it is that makes Dowsing worse than the others.
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Shakespeare
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Posted: May 03 2008 at 23:41 |
Pnoom! wrote:
Ementeht-Re is going to be awesome, but let's face it, at this point, Kayo Dot>Magma.
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Pnoom! wrote:
but let's face it, at this point, Kayo Dot>Magma.
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Pnoom! wrote:
Kayo Dot>Magma.
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SHUN'D
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Shakespeare
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Posted: May 03 2008 at 23:38 |
heyitsthatguy wrote:
3 > 1
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1 <3 I love the number one.
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mithrandir
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Posted: May 03 2008 at 19:31 |
that song from the split with Bloody Panda is completely horrifying, love it!
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avalanchemaster
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Posted: May 03 2008 at 19:10 |
can't wait to get this new one. I cannot get enough of Kayo Dot/motw....one of a kind band, very unique and dare I say "original"?????
great stuff.
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avalanchemaster
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Posted: May 03 2008 at 19:08 |
Pnoom! wrote:
laplace wrote:
folly? ;P
Anyway, band is neato and are currently winning 2008. They're in the lead. You heard.
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Yeah, I changed my name to align with the other forums I visit.
I'm such a fanboy.
Total Toby Driver disco ranked/rated (except My Fruit Psychobells):
1. Choirs of the Eye (10.0)
2. Blue Lambency Downward (9.9)
3. Dowsing Anemone With Copper Tongue (9.8)
4. In the L..L..Library Loft (9.6)
5. Bath (9.5)
6. Sixty Metonymies (9.2)
7. Leaving Your Body Map (8.8) |
what about My Fruit Psychobells?
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chamberry
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Posted: May 02 2008 at 21:34 |
Can't wait for their new album to arrive.
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Pnoom!
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Posted: May 02 2008 at 20:51 |
Avantgardehead wrote:
Every motW and Kayo Dot album is a 10 in my book, especially the new one. I love how they're all so different from each other.
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That is indeed one of the best aspects of their music.
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Posted: May 02 2008 at 20:35 |
Every motW and Kayo Dot album is a 10 in my book, especially the new one. I love how they're all so different from each other.
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http://www.last.fm/user/Avantgardian
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Pnoom!
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Posted: May 02 2008 at 20:23 |
schizoid_man77 wrote:
BLD went way down, whatsupwiththat? |
I got over my fanboyism and gave it some fair listens.
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