The most musically complex prog band(s)? |
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Cthulu
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Posted: September 22 2008 at 08:29 | |
TFTO = Tales From Topographic Oceans |
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Petrovsk Mizinski
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Posted: September 22 2008 at 08:49 | |
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AlexUC
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Posted: September 24 2008 at 17:56 | |
Insane complexity? Sure, KoenjiHyakkei. More complex than Magma or any other Zeuhl band I've heard. RIO is plenty of really complex bands, for me, the most complex prog sub genre. Let's say Present, Henry Cow, Universe Zero, i.e. Mr. Bungle has some of the most complex music I've heard on Disco Volante. Sleepytime Gorilla Museum has their extremely complex moments. Frank Zappa and Samla Mammas Manna has some really complex sogns too. Regular bands like Gentle Giant and King Crimson always had their own. In metal we have Spastik Ink, Spiral Architect and Messugah, among others, but I don't think any metal band can reach the complexity of any prog rock band... |
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Petrovsk Mizinski
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Posted: September 25 2008 at 23:16 | |
Lol, thread still going and yet no one has decided on the definition of complex.
Here's to another 200 pages of this thread |
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AlexUC
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Posted: September 26 2008 at 11:39 | |
Do you have any doubt about what complex music is?Then go and listen Mr. Bungle and Pink Floyd... note the difference?? That's it!! Edited by AlexUC - September 26 2008 at 11:40 |
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jimidom
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Posted: September 26 2008 at 12:12 | |
To my ears, complex music means music which is not only challenging for the artist to perform but also challenging for the listener to listen to. Among the challenges are shifting time signatures, crazy atonality, and occasionally speed and technical prowess. In other words, music which sounds like anything but to the average listener.
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AlexUC
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Posted: September 26 2008 at 12:34 | |
Agreed. Difficult to listen, difficult to play, difficult to understand, but, it has to sound and be nice, it must entertain. That's what Art is all about.
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zachfive
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Posted: September 27 2008 at 13:31 | |
A few posts back Camel was getting some flack for not being "complex". While I agree with the comments that were said(musics not hard to play...) I think its necessary to exclude Andy Ward. I always thought his percussions were "technical" enough to called "complex"(If that makes any sense) Not only that, but he has worked with other bands that were thrown in the "complex" catigory, i.e Marillon and Caravan. So lets at least here for Mr.Ward. |
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Logan
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Posted: September 27 2008 at 13:38 | |
He is very good, but I haven't though of Marillion, or Caravan for that matter as complex. I think Caravan is one of the less complex Canterbury Scene bands, and I've never thought of Marillion as complex (Neo-Prog, generally, is considered one of the least complex progressive rock forms). EDIT: Just my ignorance, and without researching, what has he done with Caravan and Marillion? I know he has worked on Sinclair's Caravan of Dreams (and notably with the great Canterbury Scene personality Hugh Hopper). Edited by Logan - September 27 2008 at 13:58 |
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Guitar Noir
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Posted: September 27 2008 at 17:19 | |
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TRIFIVE5000
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Posted: September 28 2008 at 21:08 | |
Yeah jimidom, i'm going with you. ur the truth!
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cobb2
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Posted: September 28 2008 at 22:41 | |
This is all a bit of a t**ser. The only way you can judge complexity is at a playing level, not a listening level. That is- which grade would they be placed in at a music examination level: Grade 1 (easiest) to Licentiate (most difficult, with a very small percentage of players being able to attain the skill needed to play them). Of course band music has the added problem of being group music, so there are other considerations of how to rate them such as contrapuntal problems (is it easy or extremely difficult for the group to play this together and keep the timing true). A good example of this may be certain Yes songs, which have 4 instruments playing completely different parts that come together as a whole in some strange magical meld, that are not that difficult to play as solos, but putting the four parts together and in time adds to the difficulty of the piece, astronomically. So how do you judge music complexity? Edited by cobb2 - September 28 2008 at 22:47 |
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topofsm
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Posted: September 28 2008 at 23:11 | |
I beleive that there's a certain level of compositional complexity too. There's a ton of classical music that doesn't sound terribly complex but there's so much going on and variations based on the instrument that I would call it complex. Like people above have said, having multiple instruments playing at the same time would add to complexity.
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apps79
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Posted: September 30 2008 at 13:10 | |
Except GENTLE GIANT and YES of the TFTO album,try YEZDA URFA...you'll be blown,that's really complex but creative music! |
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The Doctor
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Posted: September 30 2008 at 13:28 | |
I didn't know of any connection with Caravan, but Ward did play with Marillion, albeit very briefly and I don't believe anything he did actually was recorded. He showed up for a short time between Pointer and Moseley. In fact, if you watch the video for Garden Party (I think that's the one), Andy Ward appears in the video.
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alanerc
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Posted: September 30 2008 at 18:36 | |
For the only few bands I know, I have to say, King Crimson and Frank Zappa
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faceofdoomness
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Posted: September 30 2008 at 22:46 | |
I'd say the most musically complex band is Dun a Zeuhl Prog band from France.. their music is so dense, discordant and complex that it even makes Gentle Giant seem simple. There's so any time signature changes and so many over lapping instruments and lots of complex rhythms that they somehow pull off.
Just listen to the entirety of their only mp3 on this site: Arrakis |
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progvortex
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Posted: October 01 2008 at 00:42 | |
I would say the most "out there" musically is Zappa. There's also some mathcore bands like Protest the Hero that are basically made to be complex and uninteresting. Okay maybe that's a little too biased, It's not really my bag, but they have the strangest mix of time signatures.
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AlexUC
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Posted: October 01 2008 at 11:00 | |
You're all dreaming. Britney Spears and UB40 (mmm but I'm afraid they're not too progressive... )
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jimidom
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Posted: October 01 2008 at 11:20 | |
My interest is piqued. I'll have to check that out. Sounds like a challenging listen!
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