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hawkcwg 
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 Topic: Could Billy Cobham play with Frank Zappa?Posted: January 07 2009 at 08:02 |
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I wonder why they never played together. Maybe because Billy was playing with Mahavishnu Orchestra.
Who made more complicated music (far out there music), Mahavishnu Orchestra or Frank Zappa?
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Valdez
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Posted: January 07 2009 at 10:08 |
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I'd say Franks music was more complicated but less inspired.
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https://bakullama1.bandcamp.com/album/maxwells-submarine
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MovingPictures07
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Posted: January 07 2009 at 10:10 |
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They definitely could have played together. It would have been interesting.
Both Zappa's and Maha's music were quite complicated, but I think overall Frank's wins over nearly ALL other music in terms of sheer complexity, whether it be subtle or right in the foreground. |
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Vibrationbaby
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Posted: January 07 2009 at 10:50 |
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I`ve read a few interviews with Zappa where he says that anyone who can`t appreciate The Mahavishnu Orchestra has to be some kind of an idiot. Zappa always had a lot of praise for McLaughlin in particular. I`d have to half agree with Vadez`s point. Frank`s music was just as complicated but less inspired. I don`t know how McLaughlin would have felt about Frank`s "out there" lyrics and vocals.
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SFranke
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Posted: January 07 2009 at 10:53 |
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Only slightly OT: Zappa's old drummers talk about the Mahavishnu/Zappa tour among other things.
http://www.drumchannel.com/entertainment/3016.aspx |
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fusionfreak
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Posted: January 07 2009 at 11:33 |
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For me no problem.I also imagined a great jam session with Frank Zappa and his bandmembers,John Mc Laughlin,Billy Cobham and Christian Vander on drums:something special isn't it?
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I was born in the land of Mahavishnu,not so far from Kobaia.I'm looking for the world
of searchers with the help from crimson king |
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mpomy
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Posted: January 07 2009 at 12:30 |
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I recently found this interview with Jean-luc Ponty and he says Zappa was more challenging to play, not that it's a contest. I have no doubt that Cobham could have played in any (or at least most) of Zappa's bands.
Did any Zappa collaborators ever play with Miles Davis, as Cobham did?
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mrcozdude
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Posted: January 07 2009 at 12:37 |
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Hmm who was the Zappa drummer who played for Weather Report? I know a few fair members from WR were in Miles bands.
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: January 07 2009 at 12:49 |
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Wouldn't he have to dig him up?
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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CPicard
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Posted: January 07 2009 at 12:57 |
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I restrained myself from doing a joke like this, but, now, I'm not ashamed anymore: Zombie Zappa jamming with Cobham! One night in Hell! |
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: January 07 2009 at 13:04 |
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Just goes to show the tense of the topic matters. |
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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hawkcwg
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Posted: January 07 2009 at 14:48 |
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Your talking about Chester Thompson |
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mpomy
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Posted: January 07 2009 at 16:40 |
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Chester, my brother! (not a Miles alum, but an exceptional drummer!)
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prog4evr
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Posted: January 08 2009 at 06:56 |
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Zappa has had great drummers - Terry Bozzio being one of my all-time favorites. Cobham could have played with Zappa, but not to the level of Bozzio....
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Tapfret
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Posted: January 08 2009 at 11:03 |
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If Aynsley Dunbar could, Cobham would have no problem.
And the assertion that Zappa's music was somehow less inspired than MO is complete conjecture. One might have a less inspired feeling from listening, but that is relating to the listener, not the composer. A more accurate and tangible statement would be that McLaughlin's writing was more spiritually inspired than Zappa's, but Zappa's was more sociopolitically inspired. |
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fusionfreak
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Posted: January 08 2009 at 12:05 |
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True!I really dig Mahavishnu Orchestra but Apocalypse and Inner Worlds are loss of time.Fortunately Mc Laughlin rapidly got rid of Guru Sri Chinmoy.
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I was born in the land of Mahavishnu,not so far from Kobaia.I'm looking for the world
of searchers with the help from crimson king |
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meptune
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Posted: January 08 2009 at 14:03 |
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Ahhh... two of my heros. I'm certain that the guy who played with Miles Davis and John McLaughlin would have been amazing in a Zappa band. It may be they never worked together simply because after leaving Mahavishnu, Cobham was too busy becoming a composer and band leader in his own right.
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"Arf, she said" |
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Dick Heath
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Posted: January 08 2009 at 14:07 |
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The best eclectic music on the Web,8-11pm BST/GMT THURS.
CLICK ON: http://www.lborosu.org.uk/media/lcr/live.php Host by PA's Dick Heath. |
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meptune
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Posted: January 08 2009 at 14:33 |
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^ Thank you Dick Heath, that was amazing. Great to see those guys play Cobham, especially Virgil! That solo was stunning. |
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"Arf, she said" |
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Vibrationbaby
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Posted: January 08 2009 at 14:40 |
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Wow ! 17 minute version of Stratus. Nonstop freaking. That other guitarist phew! Is that the guy from Planet X?
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