Buckethead

Slartibartfast wrote: Petrovsk Mizinski wrote: It's a case of what albums people have heard too. He has such a stupid amount of albums for a guy since lately he has been putting out at least 2 albums a year, sometimes up to 4 a year and not all those albums have equal amounts of progressive material in them. He has AT LEAST 10+ albums of the 26 albums he has put that that I think are easy fits for experimental/post metal. Given some bands have not even released that many albums and are in the genre, Buckethead should be here, easily. Well perhaps he can't be added because he may overload the site, I mean look at this: http://www.bingeandgrab.com/discography_years.html recordings that Buckethead appears on...click on the titles for more info on the pages of listings, the cover art is linked to an online point of purchase when available if you know of better sources for any of these releases, have more info, or find dead links, please let me know

Not sure if you're kidding around or not, you probably are, but we would add stuff under Buckethead, not side projects since that isn't technically Buckethead. Side projects would require another artist entry entirely.





Edited by Petrovsk Mizinski - May 16 2009 at 06:21

Swan Song wrote: Assumptions are not fact. How about the the Prog-Metal team not accepting Buckethead because it isn't Prog Metal? You should a thought to that, in fact you're a Collaborator. If the Symphonic Team rejects a suggestion then it automatically means only that it wasn't prog?! Come on...     I'm not assuning anything, when we don't accep't a band as Symphonic, we:   1..-Give our opibnion about being Prog or not 2.- Recommend alternative genres if we believe is Prog 3.- We even make a tentative bio and add samples if possible and legal   I see nothing of this isn the Prog metal Team except an express mention that he was REJECTED   MikeEnRegalia wrote: Well ... he was rejected by the PMT (although we could discuss him again) so that leaves prog related and Art Rock ... I don't think that he's much more progressive than Vai so prog related would probably be the best solution. http://www.progarchives.com/Forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9667&KW=Buckethead&PN=4    So I'm not guessing, I'm basing myself in words as:   Petrovsk Mizinski wrote: If I came across as bashing Buckethead, that's not the case at all. He is in my top 5 favorite guitarists of all time always manages to sit in my top ten most played artists in my Last FM profile and indeed, I have learnt a few of his songs on guitar. I consider him to a truly amazing genius and to have been able to have played with so many artists and bands over the years, is no easy feat. The problem with Buckethead is consistency in progressive or prog related output... but the same can be said of even many prog artists too, so perhaps. http://www.progarchives.com/Forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9667&KW=Buckethead&PN=5   As far as i see, they have said he's not Prog enough, so I'm not the one guessing That is not a real argument at all. Do you think you're offering any credible argument if 1. you say you don't understand the music and 2. you only give a circumstantial argument, with no connection to what we're dealing with, i.e. music?   Circunstantial???? Does all  the existing Metal literature is circunstantial? Do we know more about Metal than them? I don't understand Ivan, if you say you don't understand the music then why bother?   I don't care for Buckethead at all or understand him too much, but i care about prog Archives and understand a bit what prog is, and IMO I have strong doubts about him being Prog, even the experts say MAYBE Prog Related.   Whenever Prog Archives reputation and credibility is on risk, I will care, no matter who the artist is I bet you he get's added this time   Please grow up a bit, I care too much about the site to bet on it's coherence, maybe he's added, well, the big difference is that I'll shut up, but that won't happen if he's rejected, somebody will insist again and again and again and again......

Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:   Isn't the reason why the team hasn't added him becauuse they don't believe he's Ptrog enough?

Assumptions are not fact. How about the the Prog-Metal team not accepting Buckethead because it isn't Prog Metal? You should a thought to that, in fact you're a Collaborator. If the Symphonic Team rejects a suggestion then it automatically means only that it wasn't prog?! Come on...

Ivan_Melgar_M wrote: But if a METAL artist, recognized everywhere as MEYTAL, in every METAL piece of literature, is rejected by the Prog METAL team, it0s time to wait.

That is not a real argument at all. Do you think you're offering any credible argument if 1. you say you don't understand the music and 2. you only give a circumstantial argument, with no connection to what we're dealing with, i.e. music?

I don't understand Ivan, if you say you don't understand the music then why bother?

Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:   Please, a bit of coherence, Buckethead is a Metal artist beyond any doubt, more than Prog, more than anything the word METAL defines him, no metal team, no Prog Archives IMO.

I bet you he get's added this time

^ That is a good demonstration only if the hypothesis is true (Buckethead ain't prog). Well, I've actually heard some Buckethead and the albums were MOST DEFINITELY progressive rock, it's just that it's difficult to say what kind of subgenre would fit him best.

^ 

Slartibartfast wrote: Eclectic isn't a bad fit, but I still don't get why any of the metal folks haven't embraced him.  Not metal enough?  Does the mellow stuff disqualify him?

I've voted yes, but so far that makes it 2 yes votes versus 5 no votes.
4 of those votes are by former members of the PMT and only Jody regularly comes back. I can ask him to reconsider his vote.
It seems that some people feel strongly about his inclusion in a prog metal genre.
Want my opinion?
He has enough experimental/avant garde/progressive metal work to EASILY fit alongside bands like maudlin of the Well, Tool etc.
It's a case of what albums people have heard too. He has such a stupid amount of albums for a guy since lately he has been putting out at least 2 albums a year, sometimes up to 4 a year and not all those albums have equal amounts of progressive material in them.
He has AT LEAST 10+ albums of the 26 albums he has put that that I think are easy fits for experimental/post metal.
Given some bands have not even released that many albums and are in the genre, Buckethead should be here, easily.

Epignosis wrote: Lucent wrote: Epignosis wrote: Lucent wrote: Buckethead is more prog than Metallica, yet Metallica are in the archives.   Either they remove Metallica or put in Buckethead. Quite simply not how things work around here. It's simply an argument.  We have so many bands here who do not progress at all in their music, and they reject Buckethead? That's really stupid. If I recall correctly, it was the owner's decision to include Metallica in prog-related (not a proper prog category, mind you).  It's his site- if he wants Gloria Estefan on here, so be it. And there's a difference between being rejected and not being accepted.  I think Buckethead falls in the latter case, which is why I have brought it to the attention of the Eclectic team.

Epignosis wrote: Lucent wrote: Epignosis wrote: Lucent wrote: Buckethead is more prog than Metallica, yet Metallica are in the archives.   Either they remove Metallica or put in Buckethead. Quite simply not how things work around here. It's simply an argument.  We have so many bands here who do not progress at all in their music, and they reject Buckethead? That's really stupid. If I recall correctly, it was the owner's decision to include Metallica in prog-related (not a proper prog category, mind you).  It's his site- if he wants Gloria Estefan on here, so be it. And there's a difference between being rejected and not being accepted.  I think Buckethead falls in the latter case, which is why I have brought it to the attention of the Eclectic team.

Eclectic isn't a bad fit, but I still don't get why any of the metal folks haven't embraced him.  Not metal enough?  Does the mellow stuff disqualify him?


Edited by Slartibartfast - May 13 2009 at 18:10

Epignosis wrote: Lucent wrote: Buckethead is more prog than Metallica, yet Metallica are in the archives.   Either they remove Metallica or put in Buckethead. Quite simply not how things work around here.

It's simply an argument.  We have so many bands here who do not progress at all in their music, and they reject Buckethead?


That's really stupid.

Buckethead is more prog than Metallica, yet Metallica are in the archives.   Either they remove Metallica or put in Buckethead.