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topofsm
Forum Senior Member Joined: August 17 2008 Location: Arizona, USA Status: Offline Points: 1698 |
Posted: July 23 2009 at 10:28 | |
There are lots of NIN fans who seem to believe that The Fragile starts off where the Downward Spiral finished. I personally don't think so, since it seems to me the end of TDS with the self titled track and "Hurt" portray the main character in the concept commiting suicide by shooting himself. If that's the case, The Fragile would seem like one of those pitiful excuse for a sequel films that we get so much in theaters these days.
However, they're both two of my favorite albums.
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Slartibartfast
Collaborator Honorary Collaborator / In Memoriam Joined: April 29 2006 Location: Atlantais Status: Offline Points: 29625 |
Posted: July 23 2009 at 11:53 | |
Interesting factoid not mentioned in this thread on NIN yet, Johnny Cash did a cover version of Hurt. Haven't heard it yet. Anyone who has know if the kept the curse words in?
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Dean
Special Collaborator Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
Posted: July 23 2009 at 12:29 | |
^ just for you:
...a poignant video - June Carter died shortly after filming, Johnny a short while later. Trent was so moved by this version he now does it this way live.
" pop the video in, and wow… Tears welling, silence, goose-bumps… Wow. [I felt like] I just lost my girlfriend, because that song isn't mine anymore… It really made me think about how powerful music is as a medium and art form. I wrote some words and music in my bedroom as a way of staying sane, about a bleak and desperate place I was in, totally isolated and alone. [Somehow] that winds up reinterpreted by a music legend from a radically different era/genre and still retains sincerity and meaning — different, but every bit as pure" ... Trent Reznor
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Slartibartfast
Collaborator Honorary Collaborator / In Memoriam Joined: April 29 2006 Location: Atlantais Status: Offline Points: 29625 |
Posted: July 23 2009 at 12:38 | |
WOW
And his substitutions for Trent's profanities work very well, even better than the original words. Johnny Cash for Proto-Prog? Edited by Slartibartfast - July 23 2009 at 12:59 |
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JJLehto
Prog Reviewer Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Tallahassee, FL Status: Offline Points: 34550 |
Posted: July 23 2009 at 12:40 | |
Hate them
...er hate him ...whatever NIN is terrible |
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Dean
Special Collaborator Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
Posted: July 23 2009 at 12:53 | |
Taste is a wonderful thing - some like peanut butter, some do not; some like it crunchy some like it smooth. Each to his own, I say, and normally I would add, live and let live, but "terrible"... how so?
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: July 23 2009 at 12:59 | |
Just for the record, smooth sucks, crunchy rules!!! Smooth does have it's uses... Edited by Slartibartfast - July 23 2009 at 20:07 |
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Nuke
Forum Senior Member Joined: October 25 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 271 |
Posted: July 23 2009 at 19:42 | |
Hmm, my interpretation of hurt was that he didn't commit suicide. See, the title track before hurt portrays a suicide from a 3rd person perspective, not first person. Then hurt says "I am still right here/what have I become" indicating that he didn't kill himself. I always thought the interesting thing about the lyrics is how the portrayel of suicide is much more positive than choosing to live ("a lifetime of f**king things up fixed" vs. "full of broken thoughts/I cannot repair.") |
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manofmystery
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Posted: July 23 2009 at 19:50 | |
I thank NIN for writing Hurt so that Johnny Cash could later make it amazing but that's about it |
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Time always wins. |
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: July 23 2009 at 20:06 | |
There's a lot more there to NIN if you dare to explore, but I must admit though I have no Johnny Cash in my collection, I've always respected his musical talent. He really did take Hurt to a whole new level. I've replayed that video that Dean linked to several times. Just think what he could have done with Closer... Edited by Slartibartfast - July 25 2009 at 20:43 |
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Dim
Prog Reviewer Joined: April 17 2007 Location: Austin TX Status: Offline Points: 6890 |
Posted: July 23 2009 at 21:50 | |
The spoken word section in the downward spiral... "So much blood from such a tiny hole" Though Hurt doesnt really give away suicide as the end. I thought the title track made it very evident. I found the Fragile to be far inferior to the Downward spiral, so I didnt really listen to it as much, therefore didnt look in depth to the lyrics.
From the songs "the wretched" and "The day the whole world went away", They dont seem to be a continuation of the original concept lyrically... Though I really enjoy them.
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Nuke
Forum Senior Member Joined: October 25 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 271 |
Posted: July 25 2009 at 14:00 | |
Hmm, I went back and studied the lyrics, and it is really ambiguous. I don't really think that he kills himself in the title track, it is just too wierd having it in 3rd person and then having another track after it where he asks "what have I become" as if he is still alive. The interpretation that hurt is like an epilogue where his spirit looks back is ridiculous because he attacks the idea of religion in heresy. I'm pretty convinced that the main character is still alive at the beginning of hurt. The only thing that makes me think it could be suicide is the 3 ugly chords at the end of hurt after "if I could start again, a million miles away, I would keep myself, I would find a way." I think that the day the whole world went away follows into the new concept expressed by the fragile, which is more about despair than destruction. As if he were already at the bottom of the spiral when the album started... |
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Dim
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Posted: July 25 2009 at 14:14 | |
The whole album is in first person, so I dont really understand what you mean by it being too weird. I think hurt might be his soul maybe reflected on what he' reduced himself to, and saying if he could be given a second chance, then he would do it a million different ways or whatever.
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akamaisondufromage
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Posted: July 25 2009 at 14:27 | |
I find it really difficult to watch that J Cash vid. Always brings a tear to my eye so thanks to NIN for that, but I haven't found anything much yet I like, will give them another try so no vote. Another vote for Crunchy Peanut Butter from me!
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Help me I'm falling!
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Logan
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Posted: July 25 2009 at 14:27 | |
Because this was put in Prog polls, my guess would be that he is asking if Nine Inches Nailed [sick sic] should be included in a Prog category. Perhaps it's deliberately a very open-ended question. Is there a specific question? |
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My 1960 to 2024 youtube playlist, one track per act and one track per year.
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXcp9fYc6K4Jq6bFhyET |
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topofsm
Forum Senior Member Joined: August 17 2008 Location: Arizona, USA Status: Offline Points: 1698 |
Posted: July 25 2009 at 19:34 | |
Yeah, well some NIN fans tend to agree with that. If only I could follow the Fragile along with a sort of story to go along with it. However, it seems to me in the Fragile he definetely begins at the bottom, but finds an entity (most likely a woman he's in love with based on the lyrics of the title track) that brings his hopes up. It seems the entity goes away, and he spends the rest of the album looking for her, only to fall down to the bottom again at the end.
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: July 25 2009 at 20:39 | |
Sick sic sicky sick, what was the middle part? Edited by Slartibartfast - July 25 2009 at 20:43 |
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mrcozdude
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Posted: July 25 2009 at 20:39 | |
I haven't listened to them for years,even when I did it was just a handful of songs.I like Trent Reznor,I often read his blogs and interviews about the music industry,clever Guy.Though if you hate Marilyn Manson,it's this guys fault.
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: July 25 2009 at 20:43 | |
Speaking of Marilyn Manson, though his stuff isn't my cup of tea after seeing his interview in Bowling For Columbine, I did gain some respect for him. David Lynch using some of his music on Lost Highway also gets him/her/it some bonus points.
Now if you'll excuse me I'm going to hurt myself to see if I still feel. Edited by Slartibartfast - July 25 2009 at 20:48 |
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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hitting_singularity2
Forum Senior Member Joined: June 14 2009 Location: ON, Canada Status: Offline Points: 127 |
Posted: July 26 2009 at 00:20 | |
yeah, i have never listened to Manson's music, but judging from that interview he seems like a really smart and aware guy. ^^ I didn't know Reznor spoke against Manson? or am i hearing you wrong? |
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