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JLocke
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Posted: November 05 2009 at 14:51 |
Negoba wrote:
p0mt3 wrote:
I mean, I'm not saying I don't respect Patton as a musician. He's brilliant, but as an aspiring musician myself, I would hate to think that somebody would mock me behind my back simply because they personally don't like my music. It happens all the time, but usually it comes from laypeople who don't have any talent whatsoever, so those comments end up not really amounting to much.
But when someone of the stature and talent of Patton makes comments like that, they hold more weight, and are likewise bound to be more damaging to someone with thinner skin.
I guess I just feel that in the music community, everybody should be supportive of each other, regardless of personal taste, and if you don't like someone's work, be honest about it, but you don't have to go out of your way to insult a whole band including their fanbase. That's just . . . immature.
Probably a very naive view for me to have, I know, but it's just logical to me that people in the same biz would want to support each other rather than be so competitive and hateful as people seem to be becoming more and more.
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Micah, you are a kind soul. I think musicians in general are more supportive of each other these days than when I was coming up. It was much more gunslinger, lots of rivalry, and the more music you do, you're going to see some of that.
At the same time, I think things have diversified so much, and the industry is a bit more wide open now. I see alot more mutual support now. I think that there's more friendly support as you get into a bit of a more professional atmosphere as well.
You'll be a better rock star than Patton.  |
Aww, shucks.  Seriously, though, thanks. It's good to hear that just as much positive stuff is happening in the biz today as negative. You've been a working musician long enough to know what you're talking about, so I trust ya.
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LOUDTRAX
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Posted: November 05 2009 at 15:27 |
Negoba wrote:
I initially liked the first album, bought it without ever hearing it on a recommendation. It's fun enough. Bigelf does the same thing much better though.
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I have the Cheat the Gallows album by Bigelf. don't know much else about them, and never seen them live. Maybe they'll open up for Wolfmother and we can all invite Mike Patton back stage!
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Henry Plainview
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Posted: November 05 2009 at 18:30 |
p0mt3 wrote:
But Wolfmother is an actual, sincere band that makes real music. Now, whether or not it's to everybody's taste, that's different (I myself find them slightly annoying), but when someone is pouring their heart and soul into their art as I believe the guys in Wolfmother are, it's really lame to mock them.
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I don't see why Mike Patton should feel any solidarity with Wolfmother. He musically stretches himself almost every day, and they come along with boring retro hard rock and everybody thinks they're great. Just because they're sincere doesn't make it any less lazy to ape Led Zeppelin. Is he obligated to support the efforts of every rock band?
Also, I think that Miley believes in what she is doing. She, specifically, is only popular over somebody else because of marketing, but that doesn't make her any less sincere. And isn't it the artist's intention that matters? I think Britney and anyone else you would care to name would be the same way.
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if you own a sodastream i hate you
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JLocke
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Posted: November 05 2009 at 18:51 |
Henry Plainview wrote:
p0mt3 wrote:
But Wolfmother is an actual, sincere band that makes real music. Now, whether or not it's to everybody's taste, that's different (I myself find them slightly annoying), but when someone is pouring their heart and soul into their art as I believe the guys in Wolfmother are, it's really lame to mock them.
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I don't see why Mike Patton should feel any solidarity with Wolfmother. He musically stretches himself almost every day, and they come along with boring retro hard rock and everybody thinks they're great. Just because they're sincere doesn't make it any less lazy to ape Led Zeppelin. Is he obligated to support the efforts of every rock band?
Also, I think that Miley believes in what she is doing. She, specifically, is only popular over somebody else because of marketing, but that doesn't make her any less sincere. And isn't it the artist's intention that matters? I think Britney and anyone else you would care to name would be the same way. |
Everybody else seemed to get where I was coming from. Once again, you and I are on completely different wavelengths. I'm not going to bother clarifying my case, because it doesn't need defending. It's just a point of view I have, just like yours is. I respect your opinion, but I will never, ever believe a pop artist is sincere in their art when they are more concerned with image than music.
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Henry Plainview
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Posted: November 05 2009 at 19:15 |
How do you know Miley cares more about her image? She stopped twittering, now we have no idea what she's thinking. ;-)
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if you own a sodastream i hate you
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JLocke
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Posted: November 05 2009 at 19:37 |
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Alberto Muņoz
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Posted: November 05 2009 at 20:23 |
Mind's Eye is GREAT!!!
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Equality 7-2521
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Posted: November 05 2009 at 22:54 |
clarke2001 wrote:
It doesn't really matter if a band is modern, ahead of it's time, or lost in time and space. It's MUSIC that counts.
And I love Wolfmother a lot. For some reason, they clicked with me. Actually they hit me hard with their musical and lyrical details. I can go that far and say they're one of top 5 musical discoveries for me in last two years, and I believe I had investigated quite a lot of various music in the meantime, both old and new.
They're SINCERE. Just listen to the drummer: it's not about his technical skill or his style - but he puts all of his heart and stamina into the drumming, it's almost childish. How could I dislike such a band?
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If it's only about the music then why does it matter that they're sincere?
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"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
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Equality 7-2521
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Posted: November 05 2009 at 22:55 |
p0mt3 wrote:
I just don't understand musicians who talk sh*t about fellow musicians. If the situation were like the Radiohead vs. Miley Cyrus incident, it would be different; because Cyrus isn't a real musician; she's an actress playing a musician, like most modern pop acts.
But Wolfmother is an actual, sincere band that makes real music. Now, whether or not it's to everybody's taste, that's different (I myself find them slightly annoying), but when someone is pouring their heart and soul into their art as I believe the guys in Wolfmother are, it's really lame to mock them.
Just my opinion. 
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Really funny in the context of what you're trying to say.
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"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
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Petrovsk Mizinski
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Posted: November 06 2009 at 01:36 |
Faith No More was at least, 5 years ahead of their time, if not even more when they released their first record in the mid 80. They did something they had no way of knowing would be accepted or not. At first it was too weird, too strange, too different to too many people and it didn't really take off. Years later, finally people figured them out and of course, by that time the band had gained a reasonable degree of mainstream popularity, meaning of course it was the right time for people who didn't have the testicular fortitude to innovative and do something different like they did to just merely do their own take on FNM's sound and without being good either. Their band changed the face of music forever and their influence can be heard in countless number of bands.
Mike Patton is a name now synonymous with innovation in music. Never has he been involved in a musical project that hasn't been about pushing the boundaries and bringing something new to the table.
Like it or not, FNM and Mike Patton have and will always have far more cultural significance in music compared to Wolfmother. And anyone that honestly believes Mike Patton was being totally serious in that video, well, shows how much you know about him. The guy doesn't take himself too seriously and it's reflected in a lot of his lyrics. I really wouldn't take what he said in the video to heart, because it's plain to see it's not the intention.
And you know what? Countless numbers of musicians have said a****le-ish things, either intentionally or light heartedly. Eric Clapton has said some rather dumb and insulting things, Alexi Laiho is known as a guy who bashed on Dream Theater in an interview several years ago and hell, even one of the nicest guys in rock and roll, guitar legend Paul Gilbert has said a****le-ish things, even if never in an interview. I have no doubt in my mind at some point, the members Wolfmother have said some less than nice things about other people, bands. Just because it hasn't been captured on video/audio doesn't make them inherently better people. I know I've said some things that were particularly nasty to other people. It might have been because I was having an off day, maybe I genuinely meant it or maybe it was because it was a light hearted thing someone took to heart and got upset over it. It happens folks and I'm sure you'd all be lying if you said to me right now that every single thing that's come out of your mouths has always been nice.
Edited by Petrovsk Mizinski - November 06 2009 at 01:48
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Henry Plainview
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Posted: November 06 2009 at 02:17 |
p0mt3 wrote:
Henry Plainview wrote:
How do you know Miley cares more about her image? She stopped twittering, now we have no idea what she's thinking. ;-) |
lol! I just noticed your sig! 
You a closet Miley fan?  
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While she only really came to my attention with the shockingly overt sexuality of the Party in the USA video, I am fascinated with the phenomenon of Miley Cyrus. On the one hand, she's clearly slowing being used up by the Disney machine, and I don't know if her fame can survive the transition into adulthood. On the other hand, it seems to be what she really wants to do and it seems to really be resonating with a lot of people. I heard one of my coworkers listening to See You Again, and she's an adult with two kids! And yeah, she doesn't write her own songs, but she's 4 years younger than me and she has more drive (and money) than I ever will.
Incidentally, I really admire the way Disney has managed to extract so much money from a demographic with no source of income. Yes, it's evil to manipulate children with marketing to convince them that they need things that don't really don't to ensure the perpetuation of insatiable materialism, but it's also brilliant.
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mystic fred
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Posted: November 06 2009 at 04:52 |
Who is this Miley?  is she the latest "all-american-teenage-girl-next-door" worshipped by eight year old girls and taken over from burned-out Britney? we used to call them teeny-boppers
Edited by mystic fred - November 06 2009 at 04:53
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akamaisondufromage
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Posted: November 06 2009 at 11:22 |
Wooooman! Yep I like that its pop very much like whoever Miley Cyrus is.
I can guess what Miley Cyrus is thinking " "
The kids have money from their parents and only have to buy Miley stuff cos they don't have bills to pay etc
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JLocke
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Posted: November 06 2009 at 11:41 |
mystic fred wrote:
Who is this Miley? is she the latest "all-american-teenage-girl-next-door" worshipped by eight year old girls and taken over from burned-out Britney? we used to call them teeny-boppers
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Today, we call them whores.
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Alberto Muņoz
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Posted: November 06 2009 at 14:58 |
I listen to Wolfmother's music because I LIKE IT.
Any problems with that??? 
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JLocke
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Posted: November 06 2009 at 15:51 |
Alberto Muņoz wrote:
I listen to Wolfmother's music because I LIKE IT.
Any problems with that???  |
Some people with crappy, invasive attitudes do have a problem with that, unfortunately.
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Equality 7-2521
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Posted: November 06 2009 at 19:06 |
I don't have a problem with it I just think you're stupid for liking them.
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"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
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Alberto Muņoz
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Posted: November 06 2009 at 19:43 |
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
I don't have a problem with it I just think you're stupid for liking them. |
You saying that i'm stupid ??
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Equality 7-2521
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Posted: November 06 2009 at 19:59 |
Yes most definitely. I sincerely believe you are an idiot.
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"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
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Alberto Muņoz
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Posted: November 06 2009 at 20:03 |
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
Yes most definitely. I sincerely believe you are an idiot. |
So do i think about you too, the most idiot and stupid snob that i met here.
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