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lucas
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Posted: March 18 2010 at 15:57 |
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I thought prog encompasses more bands than KC, Yes, Genesis, ELP and Dream Theater...
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sleeper
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Posted: March 18 2010 at 16:35 |
Providence for me. Brilliant track full of atmosphere, particularly the full version on The Great Deceiver. Not much of a fan of Moonchild, or ITCOTCK in general.
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guyeylon
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Posted: March 18 2010 at 16:40 |
I say Providence. The part where everyone comes in and then John Wetton starts playing a bass riff, and the whole band joins him with that riff, that's brilliant. Oh, and of course it segues wonderfully into "Starless", King Crimson's Greatest track IMHO. On Moonchild, There's nothing really in it for me other than the first three minutes.
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Syzygy
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Posted: March 18 2010 at 18:20 |
I actually like both, but Providence is much the better piece.
Moonchild's improvised section is a bold step into the unknown, but only Fripp is really comfortable with it (and Lake notoriously wouldn't have anything to do with it). It's not a piece by experienced improvisers, but two good musicians dabbling in free improvisation under the auspices of a third who was keen to explore the possibilities.
Providence is a piece where all the musicians are fully committed, and they have been playing free improvisations together for some time; it's debatable whether there's any such thing as 'free rock', but the '73 - '74 King Crimson had a pretty convincing stab at it (although Henry Cow did it far better, as did Can).
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memowakeman
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Posted: March 18 2010 at 18:32 |
Providence
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Man With Hat
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Posted: March 18 2010 at 18:39 |
Tough call.
I want to go with Providence, but something about Moonchild is calling me.
Moonchild it is.
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Morningrise
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Posted: March 18 2010 at 19:06 |
Call her moonchiiiild...
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J-Man
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Posted: March 18 2010 at 20:15 |
lucas wrote:
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I thought prog encompasses more bands than KC, Yes, Genesis, ELP and Dream Theater... |
Yes, it does. But that gives you no right to spam a perfectly fine poll, and criticize it at the same time.
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Epignosis
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Posted: March 18 2010 at 20:24 |
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J-Man
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Posted: March 18 2010 at 20:40 |
I could have been SO much more epic and memorable in my post as well, but stifled myself as well.
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thellama73
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Posted: March 18 2010 at 20:47 |
This is a close call, but I went with Moonchild, mainly because I feel it provides some much needed downtime between the extremely intense surrounding tracks.
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Jozef
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Posted: March 18 2010 at 22:12 |
Providence easily. I always thought it fit in well with the rest of Red.
I could never get into Moonchild and always skip it. If that weren't on the album, ITCOTK would be much more amazing than it already is in my opinion.
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Dellinger
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Posted: March 18 2010 at 22:51 |
lucas wrote:
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I thought prog encompasses more bands than KC, Yes, Genesis, ELP and Dream Theater... |
Yes, however that doesn't mean we can't make new threads about them.
As far as I'm concerned, I prefer Moonchild, since that at least has got a few minutes of proper song, which I as a matter of fact like. If I were to choose only between the improvisation part of Moonchild and Providence, then I might as well choose the later. Still, I also think they could have chosen a far better improv from that era to include in the album.
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Sckxyss
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Posted: March 18 2010 at 23:30 |
Providence, by far. I don't hate Moonchild, but I don't feel like it adds much aside from a bold statement. Providence is an essential piece of a perfect album.
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Jim Garten
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Posted: March 19 2010 at 03:01 |
Syzygy wrote:
Moonchild's improvised section is a bold step into the unknown, but only Fripp is really comfortable with it (and Lake notoriously wouldn't have anything to do with it). It's not a piece by experienced improvisers, but two good musicians dabbling in free improvisation under the auspices of a third who was keen to explore the possibilities |
Also bear in mind the version which made it onto the album release was considerably shortened; if you hear the remastered album, it has the full version - challenging, but ultimately satisfying. Moonchild for me too.
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lucas
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Posted: March 19 2010 at 03:07 |
Both are classic songs of two different eras. I personnally like both but cannot compare them to each other as they are very different from one another : moonchild is more in the romantic mood and features vocals, while providence is entirely instrumental and is clearly something of free/avant-rock.
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Zargus
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Posted: March 19 2010 at 06:51 |
thellama73 wrote:
This is a close call, but I went with Moonchild, mainly because I feel it provides some much needed downtime between the extremely intense surrounding tracks. |
Thats how i feel too, it gives you some time to breath between thos heavy epic songs, i love both Moon child and providence and think they fit perfectly with the rest of the albums, moonchild is more happy and mysterius, while Providence is darker and sinister, i culd vote for any of them but i go with providence this time. you shuld listen to providence in the dark and moonchild in the light for best effect i think.
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Posted: March 19 2010 at 11:57 |
I choosed moochild but I love both tracks.
The reason why I picked the older track is because it is more polite with the ears.
Providence has one of the best drummin I`ve ever heard, but it takes like 5 minutes to begin hearing the actual song... so it can get a little bit boring
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TheGazzardian
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Posted: March 19 2010 at 12:51 |
I pick Providence ... I actually didn't even realise it was a jam until I read that here, and I have always enjoyed it. In fact, I remember thinking it was one of the stronger tracks on the album my first time through. Moonchild, sometimes hits me just right, but more often than not just inspires me to hit the "skip" button. (This is a bit disappointing, as the opening song was actually quite nice)
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BaldFriede
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Posted: March 19 2010 at 13:11 |
I actuall< like both "Moonchild" and "Providence", and I don't consider them to be just senseless noodling at all. I usually like totally free music. Strangely I don't like the second disc of the "Live" album of Henry Cow. The reason is that hwere the musicians really never seem to find together at all, which can not be said of the improvistional part of "Moonchild" or "Providence"; there obciously is a lot of interaction there. But somehow I can't find that in the free improvisations of Henry Cow. I like the Can improvisations a lot, also what Amon Düül do in tracks like "The Marilyn Monroe Memorial Church". Not tro mention Annexus Quam's "Beziehungen" or the live album of Anima (a band which for some reason is not in the archives). There are a lot of other artists I could mention here too. But strangely only these Henry Cow tracks from the live album get on my nerves. Search me why. Since my method of listening to an album is listening to all of it, whether I like it or not, I heard these rtracks a lot of time, but they just don't get any better.
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