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Points: 38883 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 05 2010 at 20:25
Originally posted by JLocke JLocke wrote:

bump.

Anyone SC willing to get behind these guys, yet?


We should probably exhaust the Prog route first, and what would really help is sufficient and appropriate samples (and informative guidance to the music to help others with evaluation).  I see that there's music on youtube.

If going PR, then one has to show that not only was it influenced by Prog, but that it influenced Prog.  A strong case must me presented when approaching admin for PR.  How does it meet the various PR criteria? I'd be willing to back someone up if a strong case is made, and someone is willing to prepare the addition. 

What would be the most appropriate albums to listen to? I'm hearing some electronicish music in youtube that I think would be fine for PA.


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Watching while most appreciating a sunset in the moment need not diminish all the glorious sunsets I have observed before. It can be much like that with music for me.
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Points: 38883 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 05 2010 at 20:11
Though I'm not in team work anymore, I'll give this a listen later.

And I guess rock, like prog, can be in the ear of the behearer:
Watching while most appreciating a sunset in the moment need not diminish all the glorious sunsets I have observed before. It can be much like that with music for me.
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Points: 4900 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 05 2010 at 19:09
bump.

Anyone SC willing to get behind these guys, yet?
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^ Like I said, I'll support them too, but since I'm not a member of any genre team, I'm not sure if my vote will amount to much. Embarrassed
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Points: 22989 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 04 2010 at 14:47
@llama: agreed about chamber "rock" and some avant-prog. In that case and in electronic prog's case too, it's always music pushing the limits of what initially (sometimes very far behind) was a rock aesthetic. So the lack of rock elements is not necessarily an exclusion factor when concerning PA. BTW I should check these guys... And maybe if Hugues and Chris have suggested prog-related, maybe they could be convinced to support the band for the Admins' evaluation?

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Originally posted by thellama73 thellama73 wrote:


For that matter, Univers Zero doesn't strike me as being any more rock than Penguin Cafe Orchestra.

I'll agree with that. In fact, a very large majority of RIO/Avant-Prog acts on here have almost nothing to do with 'rock', yet you'll still hear the ZART team spouting off about why they are so stingy in their inclusions, because so many of the suggested bands are indeed Avant-Garde, but they aren't 'rock'. Well, if that were true, half the bands considered part of that banner wouldn't have made it on here to begin with. 

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Originally posted by thellama73 thellama73 wrote:

. . . GYBE

You mean GY!BE. Wink

And while I'm not sure if those examples are ones I agree with, I do agree with your point in that plenty of artists here already don't have much rock in them at all, yet have been added sue to status or popularity as well as being undeniably progressive in approach. I think the less popular bands with just as much prog merit should be included, as well. 

It's not an X then Y argument, really it isn't. I just think we need to to stop being so concerned about the 'genre' of Prog and more appreciative of true progressive music acts such as PCO. 
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Originally posted by harmonium.ro harmonium.ro wrote:

I don't agree about neither Sigur Ros nor GY!BE (there's plenty of rock in them, especially in their "canonical" works), but anyway, two ain't many... I do know a few such cases (like EXHAUST or SET FIRE TO FLAMES) , but they are projects of the same guys from the major bands in the genre and aesthetically they explore further some of the more experimental ideas of post-rock, so their presence here in Post Rock is perfectly justified. IMO post rock has defined one of the purest (if not "the most pure") and most characteristic rocks sounds of our time.

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Well, it doesn't sound like rock to me, but I'll concede that I don't know much about post-rock, because I stopped listening after disliking the handful of albums I've heard.

For that matter, Univers Zero doesn't strike me as being any more rock than Penguin Cafe Orchestra.


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Originally posted by harmonium.ro harmonium.ro wrote:


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I don't agree about neither Sigur Ros nor GY!BE (there's plenty of rock in them, especially in their "canonical" works), but anyway, two ain't many... I do know a few such cases (like EXHAUST or SET FIRE TO FLAMES) , but they are projects of the same guys from the major bands in the genre and aesthetically they explore further some of the more experimental ideas of post-rock, so their presence here in Post Rock is perfectly justified. IMO post rock has defined one of the purest (if not "the most pure") and most characteristic rock sounds of our time.

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This is the least rocking Post Rock track I have heard, although there are parts on the album that are definitely rock:
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Sigur ros? Admittedly, I haven't heard their entire output, but there's nothing on () even remotely resembling rock. I would make the same argument for GYBE

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Which are those many post-rock bands that are "decidedly" unrocklike? 
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Originally posted by harmonium.ro harmonium.ro wrote:

A Special Collaborator needs to advocate their case in front of the Admin Team in order to start the evaluation for Prog-Related. Any takers?

I'm not a SC, or else I would. Wink
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Originally posted by UndercoverBoy UndercoverBoy wrote:

Originally posted by The Truth The Truth wrote:

I only have the first album but it is very proggressive which is why I was surprised they weren't on the site.

Well, as others have said, it's not so much that they aren't progressive as it is they aren't rock.  This is a Prog Rock website.  Still, if Tangerine Dream and Klaus Schulze can get in (who certainly aren't rock music,) I don't see why PCO can't.


Almost every band in the Prog Electronic category has nothing to do with rock. Kraftwerk, Mike Oldfield, Popol Vuh, Lustmord, Aube, Robert Rich, Tor Lundval, Harold Budd... not to mention all the post-rock bands which are decidedly unrocklike. I don't see how that argument carries much water.
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Points: 5148 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 04 2010 at 10:30
Originally posted by The Truth The Truth wrote:

I only have the first album but it is very proggressive which is why I was surprised they weren't on the site.

Well, as others have said, it's not so much that they aren't progressive as it is they aren't rock.  This is a Prog Rock website.  Still, if Tangerine Dream and Klaus Schulze can get in (who certainly aren't rock music,) I don't see why PCO can't.
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Points: 21795 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 04 2010 at 10:25

I only have the first album but it is very proggressive which is why I was surprised they weren't on the site.
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Heard these guys on a compilation album some years back and loved the style _ prog related, very Jazzy too for the most part and way out music at times.
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Points: 22989 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 04 2010 at 06:46
A Special Collaborator needs to advocate their case in front of the Admin Team in order to start the evaluation for Prog-Related. Any takers?
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Points: 29630 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 04 2010 at 05:42
It looks like there's almost a consensus going on here for PR.  Unfortunately if you go read the current definition of PR...

I did order a copy of the first one.  I think the 2008 CD release is the first time it's been available on CD.

v I wish I was Special, but I'm a creep. LOL  Actually, I don't know but one album so even if I was I couldn't make the case.


Edited by Slartibartfast - August 04 2010 at 07:07
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