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sleeper 
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 Posted: June 03 2011 at 06:31 |
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I dont agree with your analasis. PoS started off very strong and then got even better, with TPE being the best album of all time (IMO, of course), then started to experiment with their sound quite a lot from BE onwards. And political themes have always been in their music.
Queensryche started off solid if unspectaculer on the EP and then improved from their until their classic Mindcrime album, but have been complete rubbish since Promised Land, there has been no return to form for them.
Also, compositionally Pain of Salvation are a huge jump ahead of QR so its got to be PoS by a light year.
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Slaughternalia
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Posted: June 02 2011 at 12:39 |
 Triceratopsoil wrote:
I guess QR, having made Operation: Mindcrime are the lesser of two evils
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Triceratopsoil
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Posted: June 02 2011 at 11:56 |
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I guess QR, having made Operation: Mindcrime are the lesser of two evils
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Prog Geo
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Posted: June 02 2011 at 11:54 |
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Pain of salvation!
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Alitare
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Posted: June 02 2011 at 11:05 |
Negoba wrote:
Mindcrime remains the best prog metal album of all time despite many many attempts, several of the best being by PoS.
After QR dropped the ball, PoS was there picking it up. Glad we have both. |
I agree with you completely.
What fascinates me, though, is how their careers arc in nearly identical fashions. They're both still making music, though QR never were the same when DeGarmo left. I still enjoy Mindcrime part II far more than the consensus of it tends to be. It's great! It's just rotten hogsh*t when compared to the first installment, is all.
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Lofcaudio
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Posted: June 02 2011 at 08:58 |
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
QR have one great album.
PoS have more than that.
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I tend to agree. And I think I prefer PoS' best (Remedy Lane) over QR's best (Operation:Mindcrime). Perfect Element and Be are also outstanding, making Pain of Salvation the easy choice for me since I don't care for anything else from Queensryche (maybe Empire if I'm in the right mood).
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Equality 7-2521
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Posted: June 02 2011 at 08:48 |
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QR have one great album.
PoS have more than that.
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digdug
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Posted: June 02 2011 at 08:27 |
where is the 'not into either of them' option ?
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Negoba
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Posted: June 02 2011 at 07:52 |
Mindcrime remains the best prog metal album of all time despite many many attempts, several of the best being by PoS.
After QR dropped the ball, PoS was there picking it up. Glad we have both.
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You are quite a fine person, and I am very fond of you. But you are only quite a little fellow, in a wide world, after all.
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Morningrise
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Posted: June 02 2011 at 07:43 |
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PoS by far.
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iluvmarillion
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Posted: June 02 2011 at 05:37 |
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Never really found Queensryche particularly progressive so PoS is the obvious choice for me.
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TheClosing
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Posted: June 02 2011 at 02:55 |
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PoS all the way.
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b_olariu
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Posted: June 02 2011 at 00:57 |
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Queensryche by far, I'm not a fan of POS music, even I like some of their albums specialy Element. So Operation mindcrime , Empire and their most underrated album Rage for order, all 3 are killers.. what was release after Promised land is questionable one way or another but not bad after all.
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Alitare
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Posted: June 01 2011 at 23:48 |
To me, no two bands can be favorably compared like Pain of Salvation and Queensryche. Both bands began as minor outfits reflecting their music interests at the time (Queensryche EP/Entropia) while injecting them with unsubtle political themes (Concrete lake/Rage for Order), then both landed a creative peak in the middle of their career with progressive metal albums that have been hailed as critical masterpieces in the form of concept albums (Operation: Mindcrime/The Perfect Element), and both dropped the ball when they introduced more contemporary elements into their sound (Hear in the Now Frontier/Scarsick). Finally, both groups returned to their influences for guidance in treading the future (Road Salt One/Take Cover).
Both groups were gritty, dark, hateful, critical, and suitably heavy. Neither group partook in shred metal. Both had striking lead vocalists with massive ranges. Both groups had a heavy theatrical edge, both groups had a tribal feel to their drumming. More than often I've heard folks say 'Pain of Salvation picked up where Queensryche left off'. My question to you is what do you think of these similarities? Which group do you prefer and why?
Personally, no rock or metal album influenced me as much as Operation: Mindcrime except maybe Dark side of the Moon. I can't help but prefer Queensryche. I see the peak for QR being Mindcrime, Emipre, and Promised Land, while I'm hesitant to put Be on the same level as Remedy Lane or Element. And in my heart Promised Land takes the wind outta anything Pain of Salvation did when it comes to inner turmoil. Tate screaming 'Why am I?' on the title track has always sent chills down my spine. I love both groups. I don't worship either.
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