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Joined: August 28 2010
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Posted: March 20 2012 at 17:48
IMHO I Cannot hear any similarities between Scott Walker and Gabriel (melt album). Walker's voice is baritone which is unusual in itself, Gabriel's voice is much higher in pitch. Their vocal delivery style is also vastly different. Walker's music from the last 3 albums is much more "out there" than Gabriel has ever done. But if one insists that Walker is somehow copying Gabriel I suppose you cannot change people's perceptions.
Walker did not rip off Jacques Brel; he brought Brel's music to the attention of the English speaking public by getting them translated from the original French versions and delivering his own English interpretation.
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Posted: March 20 2012 at 17:57
BarryGlibb wrote:
IMHO I Cannot hear any similarities between Scott Walker and Gabriel (melt album). Walker's voice is baritone which is unusual in itself, Gabriel's voice is much higher in pitch. Their vocal delivery style is also vastly different. Walker's music from the last 3 albums is much more "out there" than Gabriel has ever done. But if one insists that Walker is somehow copying Gabriel I suppose you cannot change people's perceptions.
Walker did not rip off Jacques Brel; he brought Brel's music to the attention of the English speaking public by getting them translated from the original French versions and delivering his own English interpretation.
On rip-off: Thank you for clearing it up for me. It's a good thing you did there. I just took a different meaning of "rip-off" from some other source. No, it was not Wiki.
Similarities: It's not so much the vocal similarities between PG and SW (and there are none), it's the musical approach. They both wanted dark atmospheres. Few of Scott's tracks from his later work are pretty intense, though not as intense as Gabriel's, perhaps.
Joined: December 20 2010
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Posted: March 21 2012 at 03:10
Dayvenkirq wrote:
Few of Scott's tracks from his later work are pretty intense, though not as intense as Gabriel's, perhaps.
Why not listen instead of keeping on guessing? Why bring Peter Gabriel and his Melt-album into the discussion at all? There's no similarities and I'm sure Peter would sh*t in his pants and have a heart attack at 4:48 like the guys in the comment section:
Another one:
BarryGlibb wrote:
To prove how weird it gets here is "Cossacks Are" from "The Drift".
So there you go. From commercial pop to indescribable music in 4 decades.
Frightening stuff. But exciting in the same breath.
I hope a number of you out there in PA land will get hooked.
BTW he should be on PA for his last 3 albums, which incidentally are spread over the last 28 years!
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Posted: March 21 2012 at 11:26
I've heard them all while playing WoW. So far it's a no-go for me. Maybe I shouldn't have been playing WoW . I brought in PG just because I thought few of his and SW's musical ideas sound very similar to me personally. You don't have to agree with me, Saper.
BTW, what's your playlist anyway, now that we are back on the topic? I take it that the videos you've posted is the stuff that constitutes your list, right?
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Posted: March 21 2012 at 19:47
Dayvenkirq wrote:
I've heard them all while playing WoW. So far it's a no-go for me. Maybe I shouldn't have been playing WoW . I brought in PG just because I thought few of his and SW's musical ideas sound very similar to me personally. You don't have to agree with me, Saper.
BTW, what's your playlist anyway, now that we are back on the topic? I take it that the videos you've posted is the stuff that constitutes your list, right?
The three songs from Scott 3 in my first post was sort of my playlist. But it thought of them more as a reccomendation.
I'm not surprised you don't like The Drift. Not at all. I posted those songs to show how absurd your Peter Gabriel comparison was.
As a Scott Walker fan I'm a little offended when you belittle him by writing that he's just ripping off other artists. He respectfully creates his own very personal versions of one of the 20th century's great songwriters (Jacques Brel) and you think of it as ripping off? Did the great jazzsingers rip off Gershwin, Rodgers/Hart and Porter too? Was John Coltrane just ripping off Rodgers and Hammerstein with My Favorite Things?
I don't think of uneducated opinions as something to agree or disagree with. I think of them as irrelevant.
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Posted: March 21 2012 at 23:41
Saperlipopette! wrote:
I'm not surprised you don't like The Drift. Not at all. I posted those songs to show how absurd your Peter Gabriel comparison was.
I suppose you have every right to say that.
Saperlipopette! wrote:
As a Scott Walker fan I'm a little offended when you belittle him by writing that he's just ripping off other artists. He respectfully creates his own very personal versions of one of the 20th century's great songwriters (Jacques Brel) and you think of it as ripping off? Did the great jazzsingers rip off Gershwin, Rodgers/Hart and Porter too? Was John Coltrane just ripping off Rodgers and Hammerstein with My Favorite Things?
Once again, Saper, of all the existent definitions of "ripping off" I picked up the one that did not turn out to be commonplace. If I did offend you in any way, then I sincerely apologize. I did not mean to belittle Scott; after all, I started this thread. Actually, about two days ago I was scouting YouTube and found this video in which Scott was asserting just the very same thing BarryGlibb said above, that he wanted to bring Jacques Brel's songs to the mass attention in England, so that clears it up a bit for me. Again, sorry for the miscommunication. I just want to know if we are good, because if we are not, then I will understand. I also want to apologize for my digression; I just wanted to help you put Scott up for PA again.
Spoiler alert: in that video (2006) Scott said that his new album will come out some time later, and that it's not supposed to take 10-11 years. I believe him .
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Posted: March 28 2012 at 05:11
OK the original question was a playlist from Scott Walker.
So to start off, here is Mrs Murphy, which is a 1966 song from The Walker Brothers, however Scott should take credit for everything here. In 3 minutes 20 seconds he has created a novel...listen to the lyrics. But the music is epic as well.
Simply brilliant..... could you imagine the Beatles writing something as sexually edgy as this in 1966? Well I suppose they did with Norwegian Wood but this is much edgier. Mrs Murphy is written before the film "The Graduate" but after the novel (1963) so Scott may have read it before he wrote this...maybe. Please listen.......
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Posted: March 28 2012 at 08:53
I love his old stuff but, despite my best efforts, can't abide anything he's done from Climate of Hunter onwards. I think I read somewhere that he has signed a ten album contract which at his current rate of progress will take him well over 100 years to fulfil!
My Top Ten (including The Walker Brothers):
The War is Over After the Lights Go Out 'Til the Band Comes In Montague Terrace in Blue My Ship is Coming In Next Amsterdam The Girls and The Dogs We Came Through The Old Man's Back Again
"And now...on the drums...Mick Underwooooooooood!!!"
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BarryGlibb wrote:
. I brought in PG just because I thought few of his and SW's musical ideas sound very similar to me personally. You don't have to agree with me, Saper. 
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