Do PA proggers have the right prog balance?

"he's a very naughty boy"

Dean wrote: ^ There is only one Python reference in my post and that is not it.   I seldom refer to people by their screen name, I'm too old for that nonsense - 'Tim' is just a name I chose at random that seemed fitting for Dr Prog (PHD, Calcutta, failed), whose member profile gives his real name as "Not Given" (much like yours Mr. Nismoore).

Edited by dennismoore - April 10 2012 at 11:00

dennismoore wrote: It does spin my head thinking how you can say that metal prog fans understand prog more than prog fans.  Anybody who listens to the same single dynamic(rapid staccato down strumming continuously and in every song) would be no more qualified to judge anything except which pain reliever to pick to get rid of the horrible headaches one must get after listening to all that screaming and repetitive bass drum thumping.

Not to speak on his behalf, but he said prog metal fans understand prog better than prog rock fans understand metal.  As a metalhead, I am inclined to agree, to the extent I can with any generalised observation. 

^It's easy.

Snow Dog wrote: ^It's easy.

dennismoore wrote:   What I will say is that I am genuinely envious of you being a prog metal guy, as there is so much of that going on these days.  I wish I could find even one third as much of that in the prog records that work for me.   Cheers!

Thanks but not really...I am not much of a PROG metal guy.  I do like the so called true metal stuff.  All that brutally violent stuff with relentless blastbeats and growling, you know.  Prog metal sounds too sanitized,  as if it is trying too hard to make sense and 'sound' intelligent instead of just unleashing some magnificent metal fury.  If I really wanted something on the softer side, I would very well get it on a prog rock album.   I like prog rock more, generally speaking, than any kind of metal, true or otherwise.


Edited by rogerthat - April 10 2012 at 11:35

Can't stand metal

Edited by dr prog - April 10 2012 at 18:45

Dean wrote: I didn't say that, but that has already been corrected. However, that's a horrible description of metal and not one I adhere too, if that's the kind of metal you listen too then I'm not surprised you don't like it.

Hey man, I just quoted the above section but would have liked to quote & reply to more things you said but after a long day at work I don't have the energy to do all the quote within a quote thing.(I tried but I messed it all up.)

About my metal quote I was having some creative writing fun and I hope you weren't put off by it. Obviously we all
have different tastes...I thought of something earlier today so I will repeat it:

Whatever puts a grin above your chin!   That is what I am for.
 
Thanks for explaining your avatar, Ms Danielle Dax, that is cool. I noticed it from day one. Very nice piece of art.

About judging music, yes we agree that the classics(Bach, Mozart, etc..) have been ranked /rated.  I should have been more clear and explain that I am taking a liberty and assuming that some older prog has been time tested enough and perhaps could be considered as the classics of their era and that they might stand up with any era.  I am supposing some works by YES, ELP, Genesis, Gentle Giant, etc.. that fit that category.  Obviously my opinion.  To go along with that theory, at some point the works will be judged more "formerly" similar to how the old masters are judged, that is all I am saying. Do I have the methodology, no.  But I think one can be used since other great works have in fact been rated, not without controversy in those circles, no doubt. Will everybody be happy, no way.  But there is a whole lot more than just base popularity.  That is all I am trying to say.

Anyway, sorry bout the whole "naptime" comment in my prior post.  You are a real good sport and are a pleasure chatting with.  I would never call you a "git" that  dig was purely "hypothetical".

Oh and thanks for sharing a Monty Python laugh with me. English Comedy & English Music has always been on the cutting edge, IMHO.


Edited by dennismoore - April 10 2012 at 20:38

Dean wrote: Squire, Howe and Anderson needed people like Kaye, Wakeman, Moraz or Horn to tie their disparate ideas together into structure... with so many Prog bands it is the personnel that are more important to the composition than the composition itself - look how often classic albums tie in with classic line-ups.

Very true - I remember an interview with Chris Squire regarding the recording of Topographic Oceans & it seems that Anderson & Howe came to the studios with the concept & lyrics, but no real idea how to form them into a musical whole; to paraphrase Squire (can't remember the exact quote) "we had no idea what they were on about, so we just wrote the music & kept out of the way"

mono wrote: dr prog wrote: Too often I'm finding the best composed albums here to be rated low and the least well composed albums rated high This is where I stopped reading. "I often find people here that have completely different views on some albums than I do"...

Nice