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Sheavy ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: March 28 2010 Location: Alabama Status: Offline Points: 2866 |
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No Lord Dunsany, or Terry Pratchett?
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Kotro ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: August 16 2004 Location: Portugal Status: Offline Points: 2809 |
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Rilke FTW!
But my favorite German has to be Novalis. He made some excellent prog in the 70's. Edited by Kotro - June 14 2012 at 07:50 |
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Bigger on the inside.
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BaldFriede ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: June 02 2005 Location: Germany Status: Offline Points: 10261 |
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I don't regard Terry Pratchett as fantasy. You might as well say "Gulliver's Travels" is fantasy. Pratchett only uses the fantasy cloak to show the problems of the human race; he ias a social satirist. In the same way Staislaw Lem was not an SF-author. He was a social satirist and used SF as a disguise. |
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Sheavy ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: March 28 2010 Location: Alabama Status: Offline Points: 2866 |
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I think thats a bit nit-picky ^. The Discworld series doesn't stop being fantasy just because of the parody and satire within it. Those are basically must reads for fans of fantasy.
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Snow Dog ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: March 23 2005 Location: Caerdydd Status: Offline Points: 32995 |
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Terry Pratchett is definitely Fantasy. To me, I have no doubt about it.
What next, Douglas Adams is not Science Fiction? Edited by Snow Dog - June 14 2012 at 08:20 |
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Equality 7-2521 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: August 11 2005 Location: Philly Status: Offline Points: 15783 |
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^Yeah I agree. The intent of the landscapes that the author creates has little to do with the genre. You might call it conscientious fantasy or whatever, but it's fantasy. Plenty of Sci-fi authors were examining serious social issues and using the freedom of a futuristic society to create interesting conditions for social problems to present themselves. We may as well say that Ray Bradbury wasn't sci-fi or that Heinlein wasn't Sci-fi. That would be rather absurd I think.
I've never read Lord Dunsany, but Terry Pratchett never did it for me. |
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Sheavy ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: March 28 2010 Location: Alabama Status: Offline Points: 2866 |
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If you liked H.P. Lovecraft's more fantasy oriented stories, you would probably like some Lord Dunsany.
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Snow Dog ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: March 23 2005 Location: Caerdydd Status: Offline Points: 32995 |
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How about The Chronicles of Thomas Covenent The Unbeliever by Stephen Donaldson? Cracking stuff!
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There is the concept of high fantasy and low fantasy - the former creates worlds for fantasy to exist whereas the latter has fantasy events and characters occurring in the "real word" - I think similar parallels exist within Sci-Fi where Clarke, Lem, Niven, Bradbury and Hienlein create "low" Sci-Fi that exists in a future version of the "real world" - ie the worlds their characteres live in while being imagined, are more exptrapolation of the real world rather than being fully imagined.
There is no doubting that Pratchett, Swift and Caroll wrote fantasy regardless of the nature of what they wrote within that frame work.
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I can't stomach most fantasy, Tolkien included.
All those ye'rs of DMing and playing in sordid assorted DnD campaigns has really burned me out of it. I even hear words like 'goblin' 'hobbit (halfling),', or 'dragonslayer' and I start doubling over in revulsion.
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That I do. Perhaps I'll check it out. |
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Most Fantasy I have read doesn't have any of this, like Covenent I already mentioned or Julien May's Exile saga....or is that SF?
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From the man himself. “Dunsany does not deal much in horror, but weaves a strangely potent fantastic
beauty which has its roots in primitive myth & folklore. I know of no other
writer who so magically opens up the enchanted sunset gates of secret &
ethereal worlds. He influenced me overwhelmingly about a decade ago—my White
Ship period—& if you liked that, you would like Dunsany himself still
better. I’d be inclined to advise you to read his Gods of Pegana, A
Dreamer’s Tale, The Sword of Welleran, The Book of Wonder,
& Time & the Gods. It is sheer music, colour, ecstasy, &
dream.”
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Snow Dog ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: March 23 2005 Location: Caerdydd Status: Offline Points: 32995 |
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I only know the first six and it sounds like I'll stick with that.
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I've read basically every MZD piece I can get my hands on. ![]() ![]() |
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Never read these books.
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The Truth ![]() Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 19 2009 Location: Kansas Status: Offline Points: 21795 |
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Wish me luck everyone, sent in a poetry manuscript to see if it wins a publishing contest. Just received notice it arrived today. *fingers crossed*
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Equality 7-2521 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: August 11 2005 Location: Philly Status: Offline Points: 15783 |
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^Awesome stuff. Good luck to you.
So I started reading a chapter from this again because of recent discussions here. I got hooked and just decided to read the whole thing again. It's an amazing book. I can't say I see the criticism. ![]() |
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Just finished Warday by Whitley Strieber and James Kunetka. Good book for anyone looking for a good post-nuclear america book.
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