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Cristi 
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 Topic: What is "vanilla prog metal"?
Posted: July 07 2012 at 22:37 |
I honestly can't figure it out, sounds sarcastic like the term "hair metal" or something (not that i like the genre but the term is mocking)
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Anthony H.
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Posted: July 07 2012 at 22:40 |
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You're going to have to provide some more background information, as I have no idea what on the planet Earth you're talking about.
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Posted: July 07 2012 at 22:44 |
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I would go to Queensryche early DT, Uhh possibly some Sabbath and Judas Priest I suppose. Just go to proto-Prog metal and reach around that era.
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Posted: July 07 2012 at 22:46 |
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I saw the term being used by some users on both PA and MMA and I don't understand what is it suppose to explain?
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VanVanVan
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Posted: July 07 2012 at 23:12 |
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I think it's just meant to describe Prog Metal in the vein of DT, Seventh Wonder, Queensryche, Fates Warning, etc. that sounds more like the classic incarnations of the genre rather than more extreme or avant varieties.
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Posted: July 07 2012 at 23:35 |
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SandCastleVirtue
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Posted: July 07 2012 at 23:55 |
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Sounds kind of derogatory depending on the context. I prefer the term "earlier" or "straightforward" prog metal
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Triceratopsoil
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Posted: July 08 2012 at 00:43 |
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It refers to mediocre bands that wish they were Dream Theater (God forbid one have real aspirations)
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Posted: July 08 2012 at 01:56 |
I 'm guessing it means 'bog standard' prog metal. Probably intended to be derogatory and imply blandness- which is a travesty as proper vanilla is fine ingredient and not bland at all  |
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Posted: July 08 2012 at 02:04 |
 Horizons wrote:
I ..., Uhh possibly some Sabbath and Judas Priest I suppose. Just go to proto-Prog metal and reach around that era. |
Not this.
Sabbath were obviously a huge influence on many later metal bands (from soundgarden to mastadon) but if you ignore everything after mob rules (which i'd guess is the norm) then they are hardly vanilla.
Judas Priest became a parody of themselves sometime after Unleashed in the East but not sure I'd categorise them as vanilla progressive metal either .
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Posted: July 08 2012 at 02:26 |
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Same as vanilla prog, pop, jazz - even if that sort of defeats the purpose of it. It literally means 'normal' or as mentioned above 'classic' or even 'straightforward' depending on the discussion.
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Logan
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Posted: July 08 2012 at 02:47 |
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It does indeed mean ordinary/ common, or basic, but it is commonly (vanillaly) pejoratively used to mean bland, boring, totally unremarkable, lacking any special qualities or uniqueness being common old garden stuff.
Edited by Logan - July 08 2012 at 02:49
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Watching while most appreciating a sunset in the moment need not diminish all the glorious sunsets I have observed before. It can be much like that with music for me.
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JS19
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Posted: July 08 2012 at 03:36 |
Logan wrote:
It does indeed mean ordinary/ common, or basic, but it is commonly (vanillaly) pejoratively used to mean bland, boring, totally unremarkable, lacking any special qualities or uniqueness being common old garden stuff.
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dtguitarfan
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Posted: July 08 2012 at 09:25 |
Triceratopsoil wrote:
It refers to mediocre bands that wish they were Dream Theater (God forbid one have real aspirations)
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This is what close minded people who have never bothered to try to understand it use it to mean, yes.
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Posted: July 08 2012 at 09:31 |
If it's real vanilla prog metal, it should have black specks in it. 
Edited by Slartibartfast - July 08 2012 at 09:31
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened... 
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dtguitarfan
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Posted: July 08 2012 at 09:31 |
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It's also typically a term Dream Theater haters like to use.
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Posted: July 08 2012 at 09:32 |
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Triceratopsoil
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Posted: July 08 2012 at 13:38 |
dtguitarfan wrote:
Triceratopsoil wrote:
It refers to mediocre bands that wish they were Dream Theater (God forbid one have real aspirations)
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This is what close minded people who have never bothered to try to understand it use it to mean, yes.
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Yep, closed minded because I hate when all my bands sound identical
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dtguitarfan
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Posted: July 08 2012 at 13:52 |
Triceratopsoil wrote:
dtguitarfan wrote:
Triceratopsoil wrote:
It refers to mediocre bands that wish they were Dream Theater (God forbid one have real aspirations)
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This is what close minded people who have never bothered to try to understand it use it to mean, yes.
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Yep, closed minded because I hate when all my bands sound identical
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You're closed minded because you THINK they sound identical, and can't hear what makes them each unique.
I think the whole "vanilla prog" thing is silliness. Being different
for the sake of being different does not make good music. Good music
comes from two things: 1) being inspired in a personal way by true
life experiences of some sort (even if it's a mythical story, it can be a
personal experience) 2) having worked hard to hone your craft. Saying "vanilla prog" has always struck me as being similar to saying "Beethoven sucked because he's not new." Rubbish.
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Posted: July 08 2012 at 13:57 |
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What is "vanilla prog metal"?
