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Posted: July 24 2012 at 00:46
cstack3 wrote:
BassoonAng wrote:
I've heard people call the melodramatic theatrics of Peter Gabriel Genesis and Ian Anderson JTull "cheesy" prog, but it's not cheesy in my opinion until someone really deviates from prog. I'd tend to think that the Duke album is "cheesy" prog, but I'm not here to start a fire.
Gabriel and Anderson were both experts at taking the stage to excess & making it a brilliant artistic statement!
I'm sorry to have missed the "Passion Play" tour, some of that one ("The Story of the Hare Who Lost His Spectacles") seem to touch the cheddar, but overall, the quality of the musicianship more than makes up for any weak moments!
Anderson threw cheese into the audiences' faces on the "War Child" tour, with the rather amazing stage costumes! Jeffery Hammond-Hammond's matching zebra suit and zebra-painted bass (and Japanese electric guitar) were just incredible!! On any other performer, I think the cheese word might have been used.
Jeffery was one of the great, unsung bass heroes of prog, not mentioned very much on PA compared to Squire etc. He was as good as any of the rest. Onstage, the man never stopped moving.
Yeah, I didn't live the era, so there isn't a man I wouldn't kill for a ticket to a live Supper's Ready with the classic lineup.
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Posted: July 24 2012 at 18:56
Gerinski wrote:
The last track in Transatlantic's The Whirlwind 'Dancing With Eternal Glory' is cheesy.
IMO if you listen just that track it is kind of cheesy ,but if you listen the whole song is fantastic or listen the whole thing without 'Dancing With Eternal Glory' and the song feels incomplete
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Posted: July 27 2012 at 14:21
Ambient Hurricanes wrote:
smartpatrol wrote:
Gallifrey wrote:
It means it's hard to take seriously.
Something like this. Trite, an insufficiently simplistic or clique-ridden treatment of a serious topic, etc. "Cheesy" music does exist, but it's my theory that the word "cheesy" is often used by people to describe something that is profound beyond their understanding, and thus considered by them to be unrealistic, overblown, pretentious, or simplistic.
Yep.
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Posted: July 27 2012 at 14:49
I've always wondered what you would get if you put The Muppets, Slade, and Pink Floyd into a blender, and now, thanks to the Big Elf video posted earlier, I've found out. Thank You - er...
or maybe that should be no thank you.
I'd better check out some of their other stuff, as I havn't heard anything else from them (only written interviews), and this vid may not be completely typical (hopefully) of what they do.
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Posted: July 28 2012 at 00:25
pitfall wrote:
I've always wondered what you would get if you put The Muppets, Slade, and Pink Floyd into a blender, and now, thanks to the Big Elf video posted earlier, I've found out. Thank You - er...
or maybe that should be no thank you.
I'd better check out some of their other stuff, as I havn't heard anything else from them (only written interviews), and this vid may not be completely typical (hopefully) of what they do.
Hah!! You are very welcome!!
I've suffered through not one, but TWO Big Elf performances in Chicago, opening for Dream Theater once, and Porcupine Tree (I think) the other time. UGH!! They certainly tried hard, but.....
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Posted: July 28 2012 at 00:28
kingesis wrote:
Supertramp maybe is cheesy prog, the band has a lot of cheesy songs especially in Breakfast in America
Welcome to PA!! Indeed, I forgot how cheesy Supertramp can be! Plaintive wailing vocals, repetitive electric piano, insipid lyrics...."Dreamer" is rather cheesy!
And yet, I find them compelling at some level. The musicianship is sublime.
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Posted: July 28 2012 at 00:44
Big Elf sound a lot of fun, bit like Ozzy Sabbath. They can't possibly be serious about it...just intentionally over the top Sabbath/70s rock worship. Nothing particularly interesting in terms of originality...in fact, Mad Hatter blatantly borrows from Another Brick in the Wall Pt2. But this is not my kind of cheese...I mean, not the kind that makes me cringe. But maybe they do sound terrible live.
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Posted: July 28 2012 at 13:34
rogerthat wrote:
Big Elf sound a lot of fun, bit like Ozzy Sabbath. They can't possibly be serious about it...just intentionally over the top Sabbath/70s rock worship. Nothing particularly interesting in terms of originality...in fact, Mad Hatter blatantly borrows from Another Brick in the Wall Pt2. But this is not my kind of cheese...I mean, not the kind that makes me cringe. But maybe they do sound terrible live.
Dude, they are SO freakin' loud!! And I never did care for the sound of grinding, distorted Mellotron (keyboard elf plays two at the same time).
True prog cheese as I tried to define it when I posted this thread. If you have to try that hard to be prog, ya ain't prog!!
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Posted: July 28 2012 at 21:14
Yeah, I guess I don't mind the loud part at all. It's cheesy in an over the top heavy metal kind of way, which I like in small doses. They also didn't sound prog to me from any point of view so I wasn't thinking about that. It sounded like a hotchpotch of Sabbath, Alice Cooper, Deep Purple, Queen.
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Posted: July 29 2012 at 00:12
rogerthat wrote:
Yeah, I guess I don't mind the loud part at all. It's cheesy in an over the top heavy metal kind of way, which I like in small doses. They also didn't sound prog to me from any point of view so I wasn't thinking about that. It sounded like a hotchpotch of Sabbath, Alice Cooper, Deep Purple, Queen.
OK, from that perspective, I got ya!
Alice was damn cheesy....the greasy makeup, feather (or real) boa, etc. But man, it was POWERFUL stuff live! Saw him on the School's Out tour (original classic lineup, what a sight!!) and a later tour, in 1988 (it was his 40th birthday that day, he put on one hell of a show!)
Not all cheese is bad, but the music better have some redeeming qualities! There was so much "grind" in the mix for Big Elf that it was hard to appreciate, since I was there for Dream Theater! However, they have their fans, so I tip my hat!!
I was in a Spinal Tap cover band once, we SPECIALIZED in cheese!
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Posted: July 29 2012 at 00:16
I read some comments in those clips suggesting that they are not very good live and I can imagine cheese CAN give headaches if it is not pulled off well.
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Posted: July 30 2012 at 16:47
el böthy wrote:
Ambient Hurricanes wrote:
cstack3 wrote:
What would be King Crimson's cheesiest moment? "Moon Child" comes to mind....
Moonchild isn't cheesy at all, it's dreamy and contemplative.
There is no cheese in King Crimson, they are the definition of cheeseless music
hmmmm....I think I have to agree, although Fripp's rather blatant ripping off of Gustav Holst's "Mars" for "The Devil's Triangle" was a rather cheesy thing to do!
Cheese by deed rather than cheese by music....oh well, hey ho!
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