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hugo 
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 Posted: June 13 2005 at 03:24 |
the beauty of PoS is how natural they make the complexity sound...they have so much stuff going on, stuff like chain sling, rope ends, fandango, etc...but they make it homogenous with their musical ideas, unlike dream theater, who i feel make complexity sound "clunky" and can't combine it with more normal songs. that's why you get extremely poppy songs from their like anna lee and i walk beside you, and even at their most complex they are less complex than PoS, in terms of comosition. the only thing they do better is "wank" or "choke their chickens".
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Lindsay Lohan
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Posted: June 13 2005 at 03:31 |
 hugo wrote:
the beauty of PoS is how natural they make the complexity sound...they have so much stuff going on, stuff like chain sling, rope ends, fandango, etc...but they make it homogenous with their musical ideas, unlike dream theater, who i feel make complexity sound "clunky" and can't combine it with more normal songs. that's why you get extremely poppy songs from their like anna lee and i walk beside you, and even at their most complex they are less complex than PoS, in terms of comosition. the only thing they do better is "wank" or "choke their chickens".
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Nah i think often dream theater is accused of w**king with their instruments because of their great talents. But listen to a song like six degrees of inner turbulence...just a great song without all the "w**king" you describe.
I think all great musicans will be accused of w**king but what is wrong with using your talents? Besides i dont find PoS music complex and although the transitions between timechanges flows quite nicely and smooth it is nothing compared to the masters of smooth timechanges Iron Maiden...
Thats what i love with maiden...just the fantastic smooth transitions in music but even they have to bend in the dust for the marvelous mars volta wich makes so great music than you can cry. NOW THAT IS A TRUE MASTERPIECE.
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nacho
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Posted: June 13 2005 at 03:57 |
maidenrulez wrote:
the marvelous mars volta wich makes so great music than you can cry |
I agree with that!!! 
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Eppur si muove
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Lindsay Lohan
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Posted: June 13 2005 at 03:59 |
nacho wrote:
maidenrulez wrote:
the marvelous mars volta wich makes so great music than you can cry |
I agree with that!!!
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Blah you are even spanish so you can understand their lyrics...Anyways PoS are compared to the mars volta...a pop-metal band.
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Man Overboard
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Posted: June 13 2005 at 04:01 |
You are wrong!
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Posted: June 13 2005 at 04:03 |
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You are wrong! |
SO ARE YOU YOU RONNIE JAMES DIO LOVING PERSON 
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Man Overboard
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Posted: June 13 2005 at 04:04 |
The man in my icon is actually Daniel Gildenlow of Pain Of Salvation.
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: June 13 2005 at 04:05 |
Man Overboard wrote:
Pain Of Salvation's music is far more rhythmically complex and innovative than Dream Theater. If you don't see this, it's possibly because it's also subtle and isn't full of lengthy, while simplistic, flashy solos. |
Exactly. DT hurl the complexity right at your face, PoS write intricate songs that take some time to get to know them in order to be fully appreciated.
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Posted: June 13 2005 at 04:07 |
maidenrulez wrote:
Anyways i would not rate the album a fantastically complex thing as the "bad" tracks does not seem to improve on a listen or two. PoS always reminds me of nickelback and creed and as i like those bands i also like PoS alot and i like that they have put some more complexity to the songs and as well as keeping them melodical as nickelback and creed great stuff.
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You don't know anything about music, dude.
"Thick as a brick", seriously.
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Lindsay Lohan
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Posted: June 13 2005 at 04:07 |
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The man in my icon is actually Daniel Gildenlow of Pain Of Salvation. |
Yep i know but i said before that it looked like ronnie james dio and it still looks like him in them rainbow days...anyways ronnie james dio is like 63 years old today...strange to think of.
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Posted: June 13 2005 at 04:08 |
maidenrulez wrote:
Man Overboard wrote:
You are wrong! |
SO ARE YOU YOU RONNIE JAMES DIO LOVING PERSON
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You're not the alter ego of flowerchild, are you
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Lindsay Lohan
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Posted: June 13 2005 at 04:08 |
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
maidenrulez wrote:
Anyways i would not rate the album a fantastically complex thing as the "bad" tracks does not seem to improve on a listen or two. PoS always reminds me of nickelback and creed and as i like those bands i also like PoS alot and i like that they have put some more complexity to the songs and as well as keeping them melodical as nickelback and creed great stuff.
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You don't know anything about music, dude.
"Thick as a brick", seriously.
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I concider them easy to get into compared to previous bands i have heard and i dont see what you are talking about when you say they are so incredibly complex. Personally i dont find any prog metal band inredibly complex...
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nacho
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Posted: June 13 2005 at 04:10 |
maidenrulez wrote:
nacho wrote:
maidenrulez wrote:
the marvelous mars volta wich makes so great music than you can cry |
I agree with that!!!
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Blah you are even spanish so you can understand their lyrics...Anyways PoS are compared to the mars volta...a pop-metal band.
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Just to clarify that: believe me or not, it was in the third (and I think last ever) listen to that album that I realised they were TRYING to sing in Spanish. I thought it was some strange and ancient language until I started to recognise some words... the pronuntiation is just awful...
I guess it's simply a matter of taste. Maybe age has something to do with it, but I can't see what the fuss about The Mars Volta is about. For me half of Frances is just nonsense noise and the other half is crappy punk (or prog-punk it that makes you feel better).
On the other hand, I really like Pain of Salvation and I find their music complex, moving and very original (try to find a band with a similar sound...).
Anyway, let's focus in what we share: I like Iron Maiden and Dream Theater, although I find them overrated. You like Pain of Salvation, but find them overrated. So here's to music!
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Eppur si muove
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Posted: June 13 2005 at 04:10 |
maidenrulez wrote:
Man Overboard wrote:
Have you listened to any of PoS's other albums? |
Nope but that is concidered their masterpiece and i think if thats their grand masterpiece they are terribly overrated.
Anyway i think that a song like sign of the cross is more complex than forexample beyond the pale they have equal length but maiden seem to get so much more music and timechanges and stuff into their song.
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One Hour At The Concrete Lake is the album for you. Knowing only Remedy Lane tells you as much about PoS as knowing only Scenes From A Memory tells you about DT.
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Posted: June 13 2005 at 04:11 |
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
maidenrulez wrote:
Man Overboard wrote:
You are wrong! |
SO ARE YOU YOU RONNIE JAMES DIO LOVING PERSON
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You're not the alter ego of flowerchild, are you
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Ah well perhaps i should bash dream theater a bit too.
MIKE PORTNOY IS THE MOST UNORIGINAL DRUMMER IN THE WORLD!!( although techically brilliant.) His drumming on the last album is pathetic 
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Posted: June 13 2005 at 04:14 |
maidenrulez wrote:
Man Overboard wrote:
You are wrong! |
SO ARE YOU YOU RONNIE JAMES DIO LOVING PERSON
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Are you drunk? Get some sleep man, you're hallucinating
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Posted: June 13 2005 at 04:16 |
maidenrulez wrote:
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
maidenrulez wrote:
Man Overboard wrote:
You are wrong! |
SO ARE YOU YOU RONNIE JAMES DIO LOVING PERSON
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You're not the alter ego of flowerchild, are you
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Ah well perhaps i should bash dream theater a bit too.
MIKE PORTNOY IS THE MOST UNORIGINAL DRUMMER IN THE WORLD!!( although techically brilliant.) His drumming on the last album is pathetic
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I love Iron Maiden ... now bash them, if you HAVE to negate anything I say
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Lindsay Lohan
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Posted: June 13 2005 at 04:17 |
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
maidenrulez wrote:
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
maidenrulez wrote:
Man Overboard wrote:
You are wrong! |
SO ARE YOU YOU RONNIE JAMES DIO LOVING PERSON
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You're not the alter ego of flowerchild, are you
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Ah well perhaps i should bash dream theater a bit too.
MIKE PORTNOY IS THE MOST UNORIGINAL DRUMMER IN THE WORLD!!( although techically brilliant.) His drumming on the last album is pathetic
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I love Iron Maiden ... now bash them, if you HAVE to negate anything I say
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Ah a maiden fan? What ya think of blaze boy eh?
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Posted: June 13 2005 at 04:22 |
maidenrulez wrote:
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
I love Iron Maiden ... now bash them, if you HAVE to negate anything I say
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Ah a maiden fan? What ya think of blaze boy eh?
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Bruce Dickinson rules ... but changing the subject doesn't make people forget the crap you said before
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Lindsay Lohan
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Posted: June 13 2005 at 04:23 |
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
maidenrulez wrote:
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
I love Iron Maiden ... now bash them, if you HAVE to negate anything I say
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Ah a maiden fan? What ya think of blaze boy eh?
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Bruce Dickinson rules ... but changing the subject doesn't make people forget the crap you said before
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CRAP? I dont find PoS complex in any way? And although a great band not a fantastic masterpiece band.
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