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Poll Question: LPs or Vinls?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 26 2014 at 20:57
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 26 2014 at 21:37
Originally posted by infocat infocat wrote:

I just call them records.
 
Just for the record, anything can be a record. Btw it's a Marillion song isn't it? If I'm right it's from an LP that I owned once in my life named "Clutching At Straws", nice Long Play it was... another double one i guess.
 
EDIT: By saying "double" I was meaning like a folding cover, with all the lyrics written inside.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 26 2014 at 21:57
I've said both, but prefer LPs.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 27 2014 at 05:09
Originally posted by Rick Robson Rick Robson wrote:

Originally posted by infocat infocat wrote:

I just call them records.
 
Just for the record, anything can be a record. Btw it's a Marillion song isn't it? If I'm right it's from an LP that I owned once in my life named "Clutching At Straws", nice Long Play it was... another double one i guess.
 
EDIT: By saying "double" I was meaning like a folding cover, with all the lyrics written inside.
Strictly speaking a double is an album with two discs, what you are referring to the rest of us call a gatefold. 

[the Mary-lion lyric is indeed 'just for the record' - an idiom that means 'a public statement so that my own version of the facts will be known', it does not refer to recorded music] 

LP was originally an acronym of Long Play but whereas EP  retains the 'play' as Extended Play, an LP is more commonly called a Long Player. 

 
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To answer the poll - I use the term LP or record. I dislike the word vinyl as it attained an inferred connotation of superiority (ie pretentiousness) that it does not deserve, if audiophiles were serious about audio fidelity they would not be using LPs, they would be using ¼" reel to reel tape recordings at 7½ in/s (or better still - ½" tape at 15 in/s). I have a moderate (600+) collection of LP records³ amassed over a 40+ year period and still buy them today but I don't keep them for any perceived belief in their superiority of audio reproduction. It's more like stamp collection - I like the aesthetic of the format and the packaging. A gatefold cover is far more pleasing to look at than an unreadable CD inlay booklet and the ritual of removing an LP from its sleeve, placing it on the turntable platter and lowering the stylus onto the groove is still more satisfying than pressing ► on a CD or MP3 player. The clicks and scratches I could live without.

I do however use the word vinyl, but begrudgingly so and only to avoid confusion in online conversations.

Back in the day the word vinyl was rarely used, and then only by pretentious¹ people who only used it to refer to 45s (and oft only 12" 45s). Similarly, if anyone used the word disc (not disk) it also generally meant a 45 or single (or sometimes a 7-inch), rarely an album. The word single is of course a misnomer as they generally have two or more tracks, its odd that the acronym SP was never in common use for Single (or Short) Play.

There was never any need to refer to an album of music by the material it was made from, the only alternative was tape and that was called by its format because there were three different formats to chose from (reel, cassette and 8-track). We don't call CDs carbonates (or more accurately polycarbonates) so why call LPs vinyls (or more accurately polyvinyl chlorides or PVCs)?

If you had a record player it meant you had a turntable for playing records on, you could not play a tape (or CD come to that) on a record player, ergo - the word record is a shortening of the noun-phrase gramophone record and was used for either² 33⅓, 45 or 78 but never tape (tapes were recordings), though it was also most commonly used for singles on 78 or 45 so was prefixed with LP (as LP record) when you meant an album of music.

Incidentally, the word album derives from the days of sheet music were collections of song-scores were published in book form. Later when multiple 78s (which were made from shellac) were released as a collection, they were also published in book form and called an album.


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¹ and for once the word 'pretentious' when used in this context is not a synonym for 'Prog' but 'DJ'.
² some record players were capable of a 4th speed - 16⅔ that was only used for speech (mainly Linguaphone recordings).
³ recently I have been reluctantly driving a car that does not have a CD player (bizarre for a vehicle made in 2002, but that's Honda for you) so have had to dig out a few cassettes to play on long journeys - my word those things are dreadful, how and why we put up with then for so long is a mystery.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 27 2014 at 07:33
^Thanks Dean for your interesting explanations.
 
 About that phrase i already imagined more or less its meaning. I also make mine your words about the gatefold covers (now I know the correct name), I turn out having nostalgic feelings about that times. Anyway, now I have Internet which allows me knowing much better the world of music at the click of a mouse, although without that much better clicks and scratches you meant of course.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 27 2014 at 07:38
Originally posted by infocat infocat wrote:

I just call them records.

That wasn't an option but now that I think about them they were called records or albums before CDs came out.  And they still are regardless of format if an artist puts together a collection of new music.  I just wanted to poke a little fun at the younger generation that calls records in a certain format vinyls. Big smile
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 27 2014 at 07:43
Originally posted by Rick Robson Rick Robson wrote:

^Thanks Dean for your interesting explanations.
 
 About that phrase i already imagined more or less its meaning. I also make mine your words about the gatefold covers (now I know the correct name), I turn out having nostalgic feelings about that times. Anyway, now I have Internet which allows me knowing much better the world of music at the click of a mouse, although without that much better clicks and scratches you meant of course.
 
Btw woukd you explain me the meaning of Mary-lion? Was that another joke or is that the reason of Marillion ? Really curious about it, even though if I google that I would have the answer for the origin of the band's name,


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 27 2014 at 07:44
It's a Sim thing....

And by the way, spot on Dean. 

I am from an older generation that knows and had direct experience with all those forms of recorded music way back then.




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 27 2014 at 07:55
What's the question?

Um I think 'records' are the answer. Or 'album' if you wanted to make it clear that you wern't talking about a single or EP or 12" .  Never use the word Vinyl unless its a discussion about vinyl Approve
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 27 2014 at 07:56
Originally posted by Rick Robson Rick Robson wrote:

Originally posted by Rick Robson Rick Robson wrote:

^Thanks Dean for your interesting explanations.
 
 About that phrase i already imagined more or less its meaning. I also make mine your words about the gatefold covers (now I know the correct name), I turn out having nostalgic feelings about that times. Anyway, now I have Internet which allows me knowing much better the world of music at the click of a mouse, although without that much better clicks and scratches you meant of course.
 
Btw woukd you explain me the meaning of Mary-lion? Was that another joke or is that the reason of Marillion ? Really curious about it, even though if I google that I would have the answer for the origin of the band's name,
It's just a pun. I have pun-names for many bands, it's just the way my mind works. 

Marillion took their name from Tolkein's The Silmarillion.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 27 2014 at 08:01
Originally posted by akamaisondufromage akamaisondufromage wrote:

What's the question?

Um I think 'records' are the answer. Or 'album' if you wanted to make it clear that you wern't talking about a single or EP or 12" .  Never use the word Vinyl unless its a discussion about vinyl Approve
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 27 2014 at 08:54
Thing is, a lot of people use the word "record" interchangeably with "album", i.e. a group of songs compiled and sequenced by the artist to be consumed as a package. This now includes mp3 albums and other digital formats. This makes it harder to use the word "record" if you really do mean the plastic slab with grooves on it. So "vinyl" or "LP" is more informative in these cases. Of course, to most people, the physicality of the format is trivial or secondary at best, so pointing it out as a source of pride (which i am guilty of on a daily basis) just might be seen as pretentious. I do try to stop myself, but I'm a goofball and often can't help it.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 27 2014 at 09:00
Hey I built up my collection back int late '70's/early '80's.  My number one place was Wax 'n' Facts.  I have a lot of survivors that were purchased there many years ago.  Where's your favorite local place to shop?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 27 2014 at 09:11
I love Wax n Facts for LPs but the CD selection is small. Criminal Records is great for new (especially "indie") releases, but once an album is a couple of years old they don't stock it unless it's hipster friendly. Wuxtry is a great one too, they seem to have everything BUT new releases. Decatur CD is good but cramped and sometimes hard to find stuff, plus they lean a bit more towards Americana/folk which isn't really my area of interest. The Book Nook (N Druid) and CD Warehouse (Roswell, near where i live) nearly always have cheap used stuff i didn't know i wanted.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 27 2014 at 11:20
Back in the day for me it was Warehouse Records & Tapes, Peaches and Tower Records.....Tower had a huge import section.

Today it is local stores in Tacoma, Hi-Voltage Records, House of Records...In Seattle too many to name.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 27 2014 at 11:49
In the UK the main local record stores in my area were Harlequin, Our Price, Andy's Records and Revolver records, but that's not going to mean much to most people. The major chains of HMV and Virgin came much later. The last LP I bought from a brick'n'mortar store was Kveikur by Sigur Rós... and that was from a HMV located in a local shopping mall.

However, I generally buy from the internet now, Amazon and direct from Burning Shed of course.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 27 2014 at 11:58
Sadly there's nothing in my local area anymore (used to be a place called Hegewish Records) and I have to go into Chicago to one of the Reckless Record stores for cd's and vinyl.
There's a neat place in Minneapolis called Electric Fetus (they were even mentioned in Rolling Stone mag once..)...been there a few times.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 27 2014 at 13:36
Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

Back in the day for me it was Warehouse Records & Tapes, Peaches and Tower Records.....Tower had a huge import section.

Today it is local stores in Tacoma, Hi-Voltage Records, House of Records...In Seattle too many to name.
i went to one in Seattle a few weeks ago when I was visiting my friend. It was huge, and had everything i wanted but could never find elsewhere. Forgot the name but it was something like "Everyday Records". I had to actually quit looking around because i was in danger of buying more than i could fit in my carry on luggage home.

I miss Tower. Used to be one in Atlanta across the street from where I work. It was a tough loss. It is nice having the internet though. I can pretty much find anything if i want it enough and can afford it.

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