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rdtprog
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Posted: October 05 2014 at 04:47 |
Hercules wrote:
Did anyone see this on BBC2 this evening?
I'd be interested to hear other peoples' opinions on what it revealed to them.
Basically, I felt Banks came out as a control freak who drove Hackett out; he was sort of airbrushed out of their history, except in a very minor role.
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It is not a surprise here that Banks was always reluctant to accept Hackett's ideas for songs. Banks always wanted to keep control of the Genesis sound and direction.
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richardh
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Posted: October 05 2014 at 03:02 |
Certain things were completely skipped over ie the original drummer John Mayhew was not mentioned at all and neither was Calling All Stations most notably. Banks face was a picture when Hackett talked about his solo material - no love lost there obviously. Collins probably came out best and makes you realise that he got far too much stick (ho ho) for Genesis going in a pop direction, It was clear that Banks was very happy with having hit records. One thing that annoyed me though was no mention of any other prog bands and I would have liked to know their opinions on that and the movement in general.
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Blacksword
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Posted: October 05 2014 at 02:10 |
akamaisondufromage wrote:
When they were all together the conversation was fairly stilted. I don't think Tony came across at all well. He didn't get his way with The Lamb so he got stroppy and he made sure he got more work on the albums than Steve so Steve buggered off. Steve got less of a mention than Ant in the whole thing - (although, that might just be my perception). When they were were talking about solo work Steve's stuff wasn't even mentioned. I guess it was never quite as popular as Gabriels or Collins'. ANyway, Tony would drive me out of any band. Surprised to see a certain child molester JK.
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Yeah it pissed me off that Steves solo career was completely overlooked. I don't know if this was a case of the BBC just not bothering to cover it because it wasn't as high profile as Pete or Phil, or the controlling hand of Banks wanting to sideline Steve, but then not much was said about Tonys solo efforts either.
Interestingly, and disappointly they completely skipped over the WAW/Seconds Out era, jumping from ATOTT to ATTWT with just s snippet of "Your own special way" This was of course the period where the politics really came between Banks and Hackett, and led to Hacketts departure. It's also arguaby the period when the band were at the height of their musical prowess as a prog rock band, so it's a shame they skipped over it.
It was a pleasant eneough watch, but it didn't tell me anything I didn't know about the band. The very early footage was cool and it was interesting to see all the band sitting there together and the body language between them.
I pretty much disagreed with the entire definition of prog rock that that woman gave. Whoever she was.
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twosteves
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Posted: October 04 2014 at 23:36 |
Hercules wrote:
Did anyone see this on BBC2 this evening?
I'd be interested to hear other peoples' opinions on what it revealed to them.
Basically, I felt Banks came out as a control freak who drove Hackett out; he was sort of airbrushed out of their history, except in a very minor role.
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I can't wait to see it--think it is on Showtime this week---and it is interesting that what you say came out as it is pretty much common knowledge---Banks is the power in the group. Hackett's input on this lineup was very powerful and important no matter what Banks says---the music that came after Hackett was very good but with Hackett it was inspired.
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akamaisondufromage
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Posted: October 04 2014 at 17:49 |
When they were all together the conversation was fairly stilted. I don't think Tony came across at all well. He didn't get his way with The Lamb so he got stroppy and he made sure he got more work on the albums than Steve so Steve buggered off.
Steve got less of a mention than Ant in the whole thing - (although, that might just be my perception). When they were were talking about solo work Steve's stuff wasn't even mentioned. I guess it was never quite as popular as Gabriels or Collins'.
ANyway, Tony would drive me out of any band.
Surprised to see a certain child molester JK.
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Hercules
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Posted: October 04 2014 at 17:18 |
Darious wrote:
BBC2 caught me by surprise with this documentary tonight and I only encountered the ending, but it looked like a great documentary. Followed by Genesis top of the pops.. |
It's very revealing. There was more to infer from what was NOT said than what was; the body language is fascinating at times.
You could try iPlayer when the Top of the Pops has ended. Well worth it.
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Darious
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Posted: October 04 2014 at 17:11 |
BBC2 caught me by surprise with this documentary tonight and I only encountered the ending, but it looked like a great documentary. Followed by Genesis top of the pops..
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Hercules
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Posted: October 04 2014 at 16:54 |
Did anyone see this on BBC2 this evening?
I'd be interested to hear other peoples' opinions on what it revealed to them.
Basically, I felt Banks came out as a control freak who drove Hackett out; he was sort of airbrushed out of their history, except in a very minor role.
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