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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 05 2014 at 13:35
Haven't seen it, but based on the comments here I'm guessing a 5 member reunion is off the table.  Oh well!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 05 2014 at 15:35
Originally posted by infocat infocat wrote:

Haven't seen it, but based on the comments here I'm guessing a 5 member reunion is off the table.  Oh well!

There is absolutely no hope whatsoever, which, although I love the band, is not a bad thing at all. Their time was then, they were greet, and that time has gone.

Aside from some new clips, there was nothing particularly new about the band history, but Banks came across really badly, really unpleasant, actually. There is no way on earth he and Hackett would ever share a stage again.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 05 2014 at 15:37
 I really wish they went into the Wind and Wuthering period. There was a moment where Hackett basically said, "I still don't want to get into it" about why he left. Seemed completely strange they skipped over Calling All Stations. Just goes to show how much Tony and Mike care about that part of the band, even though you know, it still happened. And yeah, Tony's solo career doesn't hold a candle to Hackett's, yet he still got time in the documentary. Such a shame as he really did some great stuff around the time Phil and Peter were coming into their prime.  

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 05 2014 at 17:02
Originally posted by Floydian42 Floydian42 wrote:

Does anybody in the US know somewhere online I can watch this? 

Being shown on Showtime October 10 8pm I understand----
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 05 2014 at 17:04
Originally posted by lazland lazland wrote:

Originally posted by infocat infocat wrote:

Haven't seen it, but based on the comments here I'm guessing a 5 member reunion is off the table.  Oh well!

There is absolutely no hope whatsoever, which, although I love the band, is not a bad thing at all. Their time was then, they were greet, and that time has gone.

Aside from some new clips, there was nothing particularly new about the band history, but Banks came across really badly, really unpleasant, actually. There is no way on earth he and Hackett would ever share a stage again.

Banks doesn't come across well ever talking about classic Genesis---there's a chip on his shoulder and such bitterness and it always comes thru---sad really.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 05 2014 at 17:55
...crying all the way to the bank...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 06 2014 at 00:29
Originally posted by twosteves twosteves wrote:

Banks doesn't come across well ever talking about classic Genesis---there's a chip on his shoulder and such bitterness and it always comes thru---sad really.
I agree, he never comes across well. I can see why Hackett won't re-unite with Genesis without Gabriel. PG first recruited him, and he seems to have a more agreeable relationship with him.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 06 2014 at 00:45
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

...crying all the way to the bank...
Yeah, concerning the blaming of Phil Collins for the commercial direction of the band, I've always had enough blame to go around to Banks and Rutherford too. If any one of them wanted to redefine or resurrect themselves with the Prog community, I'm sure they could do that by giving us something to be excited about. Hackett is more in tune with his fans and has more respect for his fans.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 06 2014 at 01:12
I expected The Documentary of Documentaries. A look at the small, insider details on the creation of the albums. I haven't watched it yet, but I wonder now: Is it worth it...? 

Speaking of: Did anyone watch that Kate Bush documentary? Fantastic!! Even though Kate wasn't interviewed, (though some of the speakers were just nobodies) I thought it was a great scope on things. She was an innovator, inspired by the Progressive Rock she heard from her brothers (mentions King Crimson, Led Zeppelin, Genesis (?) ). Her credit to Peter Gabriel in Babooshka (I believe she thanked him for 'supplying the glass'...?) 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 06 2014 at 01:41
Originally posted by HackettFan HackettFan wrote:

 

... I can see why Hackett won't re-unite with Genesis without Gabriel. PG first recruited him, and he seems to have a more agreeable relationship with him.

Strange in that Peter and Steve's solo careers are considered the best of the group to many fans and critics. I think in the long run, leaving Genesis was probably the best thing that could have happened to them artistically.  

I really don't see why Banks has to be a whiny little Censored about the whole thing. The guy was a dominant contributor in all the eras of the band and it's not like the got he short end of the stick.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 06 2014 at 02:19
Not a very well presented documentary, certainly, but I think still well worth a watch, if only for the footage of Ant with the band, the body language when they got all 5 of them together, and the fact that for me personally, I came away with a great deal of respect for Phil Collins. Nice too, to see contributions from Tony Stratton-Smith & Richard MacPhail (unsung heroes of the Genesis story)

Mike Rutherford & (especially) Tony Banks certainly came off worse & it could be interesting to see the un-cut version (if such a thing exists) to see if they are that bitter & cold toward Gabriel/Hackett, or if this is how the documentary was edited... People here have mentioned how ATOTT & WAW were virtually ignored - I wonder if this is a period none of them wanted to revisit or, if when they were interviewed about the period it all kicked off (in a polite English way, of course ).

No, I think my main complaint about the programme is it showed me actually how good the later stuff I purport to dislike actually is... Damn them.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 06 2014 at 02:40
Have not seen and simply right now don't care to. Genesis sold out. They might as well be called Philesis LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 06 2014 at 04:29
Originally posted by Jim Garten Jim Garten wrote:



Mike Rutherford & (especially) Tony Banks certainly came off worse & it could be interesting to see the un-cut version (if such a thing exists) to see if they are that bitter & cold toward Gabriel/Hackett, or if this is how the documentary was edited...

No, I think my main complaint about the programme is it showed me actually how good the later stuff I purport to dislike actually is... Damn them.


I thought Rutherford came out as more of a follower, influenced/dominated by Banks, than a genuinely unpleasant character; a sort of "go with the flow" type. Banks came out as petulant, domineering and dismissive, particularly towards Steve Hackett and, to a lesser extent, Peter Gabriel.

But I have listened again to some of the later stuff which I have always hated and, much to my chagrin, it's not that bad at all. If they hadn't done the stuff up to Wind & Wuthering, or if they'd changed their name thereafter, I'd probably have been a fan.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 06 2014 at 06:37
At times when the five were being interviewed together you actually forgot Steve was there - mostly out of camera shot.

while I enjoy anything Genesis-wise I felt this was a lost opportunity. Wished they could have spent sometime discussing the superb W&W and less on their latter-day pop stuff. (IMHO)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 06 2014 at 06:51
Ant came over as a really nice guy. I hope he benefits from the programme and sells more albums as a result.

The footage from the 1970 Roundhouse Atomic Sunrise gig was great, shame the soundtrack was dubbed.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 06 2014 at 07:13
No mention of John Mayhew at all, which I thought was a bit out of order, as he played the drums on the first real Genesis album. Seeing as he died a few years back, he should have got a mention IMO.

I met Ant and John at a Genesis convention years ago. Nice folks.

The fact they skipped over the ATOTT and WAW era so quickly pissed me off a little. It's my favourite era of the band, and in previous interviews I've heard them all speak very positively of a ATOTT. I think they probably wanted to skip over that era so they could devote more time to the pop era. The worst era from most actual fans POV I expect, and I can't imagine many non Genesis fans bothering to sit through a 90 min documentary about the band to hear a bit of Invisible Touch.

Some of the very early footage was good to see though.

I don't think I'll be bothering with the next collectors box set/compilation. I think I have enough copies of Duke now...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 06 2014 at 07:25
Anyone who has read about Genesis won't learn anything new from this.  Elsewhere Mayhew is credited with putting the band on a more professional footing.  I was also surprised to see Sturmer playing 'Firth of Fifth' for the camera - Hackett's masterpiece!  I love how Collins recruited Chester Thompson on the basis of 'Roxy and Elsewhere' - how did he distinguish him from Ralph Humphrey?
I can't remember the name of the journalist, but at least he commented that Genesis had become clinical by the 80s, so it wasn't all celebration of their chart-topping period.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 06 2014 at 08:35
Originally posted by fudgenuts64 fudgenuts64 wrote:

 I really wish they went into the Wind and Wuthering period. There was a moment where Hackett basically said, "I still don't want to get into it" about why he left.
 


Very true, and as someone else pointed out: to add insult to injury, the makers of the program then had Sturmer play part of Steve's epic solo from Firth of Fifth! (Which Sturmer did beautifully, by the way, but HOW INSENSITIVE does a program maker get???) My added thoughts on all this:

1. Why didn't SELLING ENGLAND (my favourite Genesis album) get the same attention as FOXTROT or THE LAMB?
2. It's a shame the BBC failed to treat Genesis with the same respect as, for example, "Bowie in the 1970s". The Bowie documentary (first shown in 2012 or 1013, if I remember correctly) had people ACTUALLY ANALYSING THE MUSIC - people who understand such things. On the other hand, the Genesis doc. was mainly (as so often) about "band politics"... Those female presenters did their job fairly well - but why did they have random journalists, and stand-up comedians, bang on about their love for the band? Opportunity wasted!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 06 2014 at 09:06
i didn't see it yet but I read that Banks says Duke is his favorite album by the band---Ermm He's been saying for years his personal favorite is W&W---and that it has some of his best and Hackett's best songs---guess once the decision was made by him to ignore Hackett for this doc---he had to make his fav album one by the 3 man line up. 

(BTW---Hackett not being shown playing Firth solo makes the doc a not very good one--and I have worked on doc's.)


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