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richardh
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Topic: Genesis documentary Posted: October 19 2014 at 16:04 |
twosteves wrote:
we can wish but I knew it was never going to happen---new music is impossible as the 3 have said many times the 3 of them wrote music together easily---the more people in the group the harder it was. And a Lamb concert which was the intent---couldn't happen as Peter has said his voice is considerably lower today then when he was young--he could sing the part---which I think is true. |
odd as he completely re-recorded the vocals for the first Archive set ...and they sound good
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twosteves
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Posted: October 19 2014 at 09:19 |
we can wish but I knew it was never going to happen---new music is impossible as the 3 have said many times the 3 of them wrote music together easily---the more people in the group the harder it was. And a Lamb concert which was the intent---couldn't happen as Peter has said his voice is considerably lower today then when he was young--he could sing the part---which I think is true.
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Posted: October 19 2014 at 03:32 |
lazland wrote:
This evening, as I usually do on a Saturday, I did the household ironing whilst listening to some music.
Tonight 's choice was Mr. Gabriel, and the Growing Up Live DVD, a marvellous concert. I take this view......if Gabriel had not left Genesis, then I, and millions of others, would not have been blessed with some of the most intelligent, emotional, and fine music ever to be played on this earth. Thank God he left.
Everything comes to an end. The hope is that the end moves on to something new and exciting. This man did, and a reunion would be utterly retrograde. |
Funnily enough the idea they would ever record any new music has never crossed my mind. A reunion would only be interesting as an opportunity to see classic Genesis material performed live by the real line up. A few of us would be up for that I guess 
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Posted: October 18 2014 at 16:16 |
Well said sir.
Gabriel's solo discography is wonderfully diverse, experimental, and intricate while staying wonderfully pleasant and accessible. Why would anyone take that from him or us?
Plus i just think people don't look far enough past his first handful of albums. Up is one of my favorite crossover albums and Top 3 from Gabriel. I/O will be his next album with actually new material - 12 years so far since Up, hope it isn't much longer.
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lazland
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Posted: October 18 2014 at 16:08 |
This evening, as I usually do on a Saturday, I did the household ironing whilst listening to some music.
Tonight 's choice was Mr. Gabriel, and the Growing Up Live DVD, a marvellous concert. I take this view......if Gabriel had not left Genesis, then I, and millions of others, would not have been blessed with some of the most intelligent, emotional, and fine music ever to be played on this earth. Thank God he left.
Everything comes to an end. The hope is that the end moves on to something new and exciting. This man did, and a reunion would be utterly retrograde.
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Posted: October 17 2014 at 06:30 |
Shame it didn't say or show anything new
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HackettFan
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Posted: October 11 2014 at 22:59 |
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Catcher10
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Posted: October 11 2014 at 10:10 |
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I can see how Hackett could be upset, but his solo material is not well known or popular, seems essentially it was just a continuation of what he was doing in Genesis, but without them. |
The very first album Steve Hackett did after leaving Genesis was Please Don't Touch. That album was as different as can be from Genesis. There is only one piece that sounds like Genesis, which is the title track. Spectral Mornings has quite an array of musical styles not heard on Genesis albums, including Japanese styled music and ragtime. Defector also has the same breadth of styles. Yes, it was the solo career most like spirit of Genesis simply because it was progressive and tinged with classical influences, but even the breadth of the classical styles were expanded. Till We Have Faces experiments with world music style percussion. He did whole albums that were nothing but classical guitar. He did whole albums that were of his compositions performed by an orchestra. He did a whole album of blues guitar (and not the typical Chicago style blues, more of a New Orleans style as I perceive it). The album Darktown had quite a bit of 90s style dissonances. To Watch the Storms and several albums thereafter continue the exploration of very diverse musical styles. True, his solo work was not well known or popular. However, his work with GTR was indeed so. |
I agree with your Hackett visions, I connect with his scenario like I connect with Uli Jon Roth when he left Scorpions and began a solo career. The music Uli was creating was difficult for many Scorps fans to connect to, a lot of different styles incorporated.
I really enjoy Hackett's playing, musically and artistic ideas seems they grew apart, but I think it all works well in the end for all.
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Posted: October 11 2014 at 09:54 |
The only flaw in the doc was that it wasn't twice as long. I enjoyed every minute of it, especially the interaction between the members. They each were able to inject a jab or two without being overtly rude, much like brothers would at a family reunion. I really appreciated how they included the solo careers into the mix so that the uninitiated could see the whole picture of their history. My only complaint is that they should've spent a couple more minutes on SEBTP, the album that finally made me perk up my ears and give them a fair listen back in 1976. Now perhaps the younger generation will better understand why so many of us love this unique, highly creative band so much. Well done.
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HackettFan
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Posted: October 11 2014 at 09:10 |
Catcher10 wrote:
I can see how Hackett could be upset, but his solo material is not well known or popular, seems essentially it was just a continuation of what he was doing in Genesis, but without them. |
The very first album Steve Hackett did after leaving Genesis was Please Don't Touch. That album was as different as can be from Genesis. There is only one piece that sounds like Genesis, which is the title track. Spectral Mornings has quite an array of musical styles not heard on Genesis albums, including Japanese styled music and ragtime. Defector also has the same breadth of styles. Yes, it was the solo career most like spirit of Genesis simply because it was progressive and tinged with classical influences, but even the breadth of the classical styles were expanded. Till We Have Faces experiments with world music style percussion. He did whole albums that were nothing but classical guitar. He did whole albums that were of his compositions performed by an orchestra. He did a whole album of blues guitar (and not the typical Chicago style blues, more of a New Orleans style as I perceive it). The album Darktown had quite a bit of 90s style dissonances. To Watch the Storms and several albums thereafter continue the exploration of very diverse musical styles. True, his solo work was not well known or popular. However, his work with GTR was indeed so.
Edited by HackettFan - October 11 2014 at 09:15
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Catcher10
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Posted: October 11 2014 at 01:55 |
Well I watched the documentary and I have to say I rather enjoyed it very much. I thought the split between the 5/4 member era and 3 member eras was pretty equal, heavier to the 3 member era, but makes sense as that is the most popular era.
What I found interesting for each album was the number of #1 chartings of almost all the post PG albums were listed for UK. For sure once MTV came around, Genesis were gigantic in the US, but the UK made their albums #1.
I can see how Hackett could be upset, but his solo material is not well known or popular, seems essentially it was just a continuation of what he was doing in Genesis, but without them.
Whereas PG and Collins progressed into a more pop/rock oriented genre, opposite of what Genesis was doing.
I did not realize how many solo albums Tony Banks had released.
Seeing them all together you surely get the sense that PG and TB are still at odds, but it seems normal, I also did not get the sense that they were too keen to get back to the studio together let alone on stage....I suppose time will tell.
What is very evident to me, and what the panel of guests conveyed was that Genesis are amazing, no surprise to me  . A tremendously talented group of musicians that created amazing music and lyrics and that truly stand as a progressive rock band, who's music progressed thru time with prog at its roots.
I love all Genesis eras.
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Posted: October 10 2014 at 21:55 |
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progbethyname wrote:
I absolutely adore Genesis, so I will be purchasing this documentary and 3-sides live on blu-ray for 2014 releases. Glad to buy those cause they are worth it. What's not worth it is that ARKIVE 3cdset if you are a long time Genesis fan. Talk about filler.  |
I'm wondering about the market for that. Who wants a collection featuring Supper's Ready and Easy Lover? |
I guess newbies will get a taste of Genesis member popi side projects. Oh yeah. Best if both worlds really. Blah!
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twosteves
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Posted: October 10 2014 at 21:47 |
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progbethyname wrote:
I absolutely adore Genesis, so I will be purchasing this documentary and 3-sides live on blu-ray for 2014 releases. Glad to buy those cause they are worth it. What's not worth it is that ARKIVE 3cdset if you are a long time Genesis fan. Talk about filler.
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I'm wondering about the market for that. Who wants a collection featuring Supper's Ready and Easy Lover?[/QUOTE]
I don't know why but I find that so funny--so true.
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Posted: October 10 2014 at 20:39 |
I've read something on Face Book that the transission of the documentary on the US is suposed to have a different edition to that of britain. It might just as well fix the problem of so little coverage of Steve.
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Posted: October 10 2014 at 06:32 |
progbethyname wrote:
I absolutely adore Genesis, so I will be purchasing this documentary and 3-sides live on blu-ray for 2014 releases. Glad to buy those cause they are worth it. What's not worth it is that ARKIVE 3cdset if you are a long time Genesis fan. Talk about filler.
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I'm wondering about the market for that. Who wants a collection featuring Supper's Ready and Easy Lover?
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Posted: October 10 2014 at 05:13 |
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The above quote should be attributed to Padraic, not me. I have never seen Mr. Winwood in concert.  |
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progbethyname
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Posted: October 09 2014 at 17:32 |
Catcher10 wrote:
I have it marked on my calendar to watch Friday the 10th. on Showtime....I am not surprised by all the posts about the content and non-content of this documentary.
It would not surprise me if BBC did this on purpose to evoke more controversy within the Genesis topic, especially a reunion. Just more and more of what I read points to a reunion never happening, at least with all 5 members.
Phil may tour but I think will be a solo tour. Hackett and PG will continue to tour so Tony and Mike are outside looking in...One would think they would push for a Genesis tour for one last bank deposit of big money before finally retiring. |
Well said Jośe. You are as right as rain I feel. Think I will piggyback onto your wonderful thoughts here. Thanks man.
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progbethyname
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Posted: October 09 2014 at 17:28 |
I absolutely adore Genesis, so I will be purchasing this documentary and 3-sides live on blu-ray for 2014 releases.
Glad to buy those cause they are worth it. What's not worth it is that ARKIVE 3cdset if you are a long time Genesis fan. Talk about filler.
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Padraic
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Posted: October 09 2014 at 12:20 |
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Posted: October 09 2014 at 12:14 |
Saperlipopette! wrote:
^but how do you feel about genuine music snobs who think prog is for uneducated braindead morons? |
Well if they have a double first in astrophysics and pure mathematics and they like avant-garde classical music - they could possible assume that the rest of us are no-where near as educated....
And therefore must like a Genre that appeals to reasonably-educated plum-stains like myself....
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