Genesis documentary

Saperlipopette! wrote: ^but how do you feel about genuine music snobs who think prog is for uneducated braindead morons?

Padraic wrote: Cactus Choir wrote: Rick Robson wrote: It seems that most people think of commercial success as something to be proud of, but I wouldn't agree with them as it obviously doesn't necessarily mean good music at all. For what I've read here Banks rather surprisingly thinks like the general people. I would like to know what is his opinion about his solo stuff as it evidently commercially was a total ruin! This reminds me of going to see Steve Winwood a few years back. He cranked out a storming version of Spencer Davis' Gimme Some Lovin' on the Hammond Organ, then did Traffic's Dear Mr Fantasy complete with a majestic guitar solo. These were politely received by most of the crowd, but what they really went wild for was the 80s stuff like Bring Me a Higher Love. Oh man

That's almost exactly like when I just saw Yes, and they played 2 classic 70s albums from start to finish (CTTE and Fragile) and then did "Owner of a Lonely Heart" as an encore.  I swear I got whiplash.

Edited by HolyMoly - October 08 2014 at 17:09

HolyMoly wrote: Speaking of that "dreadful" 80s drum sound, I think Hugh Padgham has claimed credit for that.  He was a protege of Steve Lillywhite, who had used a big drum sound on several of his works (e.g. Drums and Wires by XTC, 1979), and Hugh developed the idea on those early 80s Genesis albums.  Phil was complicit I'm sure, but don't blame him entirely for that sound.

I "think" Phil and Peter first used it on Peter Gabriel 3 and Phil liked it enough to use it on everything else he did for the next few years 

EDIT: It was claimed by the two you mentioned and Peter and Phil. Gated reverb effect.

Edited by fudgenuts64 - October 08 2014 at 17:35

Cactus Choir wrote: This reminds me of going to see Steve Winwood a few years back. He cranked out a storming version of Spencer Davis' Gimme Some Lovin' on the Hammond Organ, then did Traffic's Dear Mr Fantasy complete with a majestic guitar solo. These were politely received by most of the crowd, but what they really went wild for was the 80s stuff like Bring Me a Higher Love.

I had the exact opposite when I saw him at the Cropredy festival a few years back - the poppy stuff was received politely, but the 'oldies' got a huge reception

Edited by Jim Garten - October 10 2014 at 05:13

Jim Garten wrote: Padraic wrote: This reminds me of going to see Steve Winwood a few years back. He cranked out a storming version of Spencer Davis' Gimme Some Lovin' on the Hammond Organ, then did Traffic's Dear Mr Fantasy complete with a majestic guitar solo. These were politely received by most of the crowd, but what they really went wild for was the 80s stuff like Bring Me a Higher Love. I had the exact opposite when I saw him at the Cropredy festival a few years back - the poppy stuff was received politely, but the 'oldies' got a huge reception

n.b.  The above quote should be attributed to Cactus Choir, not me.  I have never seen Mr. Winwood in concert. 

Catcher10 wrote: I have it marked on my calendar to watch Friday the 10th. on Showtime....I am not surprised by all the posts about the content and non-content of this documentary. It would not surprise me if BBC did this on purpose to evoke more controversy within the Genesis topic, especially a reunion. Just more and more of what I read points to a reunion never happening, at least with all 5 members. Phil may tour but I think will be a solo tour. Hackett and PG will continue to tour so Tony and Mike are outside looking in...One would think they would push for a Genesis tour for one last bank deposit of big money before finally retiring.

Well said Jośe. You are as right as rain I feel. Think I will piggyback onto your wonderful thoughts here. Thanks man.

progbethyname wrote: I absolutely adore Genesis, so I will be purchasing this documentary and 3-sides live on blu-ray for 2014 releases. Glad to buy those cause they are worth it. What's not worth it is that ARKIVE 3cdset if you are a long time Genesis fan. Talk about filler.

I'm wondering about the market for that. Who wants a collection featuring Supper's Ready and Easy Lover?

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progbethyname wrote: I absolutely adore Genesis, so I will be purchasing this documentary and 3-sides live on blu-ray for 2014 releases.  Glad to buy those cause they are worth it. What's not worth it is that ARKIVE 3cdset if you are a long time Genesis fan. Talk about filler.

I'm wondering about the market for that. Who wants a collection featuring Supper's Ready and Easy Lover?[/QUOTE]

Well I watched the documentary and I have to say I rather enjoyed it very much. I thought the split between the 5/4 member era and 3 member eras was pretty equal, heavier to the 3 member era, but makes sense as that is the most popular era.

What I found interesting for each album was the number of #1 chartings of almost all the post PG albums were listed for UK. For sure once MTV came around, Genesis were gigantic in the US, but the UK made their albums #1.

I can see how Hackett could be upset, but his solo material is not well known or popular, seems essentially it was just a continuation of what he was doing in Genesis, but without them.
Whereas PG and Collins progressed into a more pop/rock oriented genre, opposite of what Genesis was doing.
I did not realize how many solo albums Tony Banks had released.

Seeing them all together you surely get the sense that PG and TB are still at odds, but it seems normal, I also did not get the sense that they were too keen to get back to the studio together let alone on stage....I suppose time will tell.

What is very evident to me, and what the panel of guests conveyed was that Genesis are amazing, no surprise to me . A tremendously talented group of musicians that created amazing music and lyrics and that truly stand as a progressive rock band, who's music progressed thru time with prog at its roots.

I love all Genesis eras.

The only flaw in the doc was that it wasn't twice as long. I enjoyed every minute of it, especially the interaction between the members. They each were able to inject a jab or two without being overtly rude, much like brothers would at a family reunion. I really appreciated how they included the solo careers into the mix so that the uninitiated could see the whole picture of their history. My only complaint is that they should've spent a couple more minutes on SEBTP, the album that finally made me perk up my ears and give them a fair listen back in 1976. Now perhaps the younger generation will better understand why so many of us love this unique, highly creative band so much. Well done.