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richardh 
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 Posted: October 16 2014 at 01:21 |
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Sorry, but I have to vent here.
I cannot think of a more musically inept and pandering American music magazine than Rolling Stone.
Their total disregard for any music form that even reeks of art rock is it's greatest failing. But it's manipulation of musical trends and tastes in the States where it declared Bruce Springsteen the next coming of Christ in some musical incarnate form and pushing the American public to embrace Mr. Springsteen's bombast from issue to issue in 1975 still sickens me.
The magazine also bolstered the flagging talents and drive of former rock icons like Eric Clapton and his sleep walking performance on the album Slow Hand as if it was some form of back to basics stroke of genius when EC was just too burnt out to get out of his own way.
In a perfect world, that album and it's once innovative creator would have been told to resign their efforts to the discount bin and a vigil would have held for Clapton's return.
If anything precipitated the arrival of punk in the United States, it's Rolling Stone's celebration of the mundane and it's inane belief that seventies rock was alive and well when it was in it's death throws.
When punk finally did arrive, RS saw this as the new coming while still worshipping at Springsteen's bombastic alter with forgettable albums like Born In The USA, while extolling the virtues that Bruce was for the common man like he was Woody Guthrie incarnate!
Even when they 4 starred Dire Straight's Making Movies album, it was because of the recording and big sound that Knopfler copied from Springsteen, along with borrowing Sringsteen keyboardist Roy Bitten to 'Bruce Up" the sound of the album.
And where was prog, blues, metal and folk rock in of this? In the reviews section, if at all, with only Van Halen getting big press like they single handedly rescued and enhanced hard rock and metal with European (nee British) groups again resigned to small articles. If at all.
I have nothing but disdain for Rolling Stone, it's publisher, editors and writers and if I never saw RS mentioned in PA again, I'll die a happy man.
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Posted: October 16 2014 at 02:10 |
Forgive but not forget eh? they are as much part of history as is Steve Hackett's Cured. Inescapable 
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Posted: October 16 2014 at 02:53 |
richardh wrote:
Svetonio wrote:
richardh wrote:
Svetonio wrote:
richardh wrote:
Svetonio wrote:
richardh wrote:
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Anoraknok wrote:
Rolling stone just promotes the film. Don't be that optimistic.
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Howsoever, Rollingstone has made a step forward for a "rehabilitation" of progressive rock. |
although this is not required. Its only in the general populace view that all these stupid mags subscribe to that this is required. Ignore it and just be happy that you listen to great music. |
Of course it's required. Not for us who are already the fans of progressive rock, but for wider audience, for popularization of the genre, it is required. |
It doesn't need to be popularized. There is so much prog around its coming out my ears. If only I had an infinitite amount of time and money. Prog is an elite passtime. The populace don't care for it. Songs over 5 minutes with no hummable tunes. Prog was only going to be popular at a particular time and that time has long gone. What hasn't gone are the bands and the passionate die hards like us. |
I strongly disagree. Our beloved genre is not a sweet little thing in an old scrapbook of a grumpy old man's childhood; it's actually a living genre that is now global, with the ocean of fantastic bands and it deserves to be popularized, and it goes well with that "rehabilitation" by Rolingstone. Prog can be "in" again. It just needs a strong propaganda in the mags such Rollingstone.
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Propaganda' is a terrible word (as is 'rehabilitation' for that matter) to use in this context although I realise that English is not your first language. (...) |
LOL, okay, let's imagine that I replaced the word 'propaganda' with the word 'advertising' (although it is the same thing), but I stand by everything I said in my previous post. |
that makes more sense in that context
I still hate the word 'rehabilitation' though  |
You can hate the word if it will make you happy, but the word "rehabilitation" very accurately describes what happened.
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Posted: October 16 2014 at 05:38 |
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Your claim of Rolling Stone's alleged "rehabilitation" equates to a drunk putting down the bottle long enough to take a piss.
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Posted: October 16 2014 at 05:45 |
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I prefer Hustler magazine myself.
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Posted: October 16 2014 at 06:11 |
The Dark Elf wrote:
Your claim of Rolling Stone's alleged "rehabilitation" equates to a drunk putting down the bottle long enough to take a piss. |
'just a little is enough'
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Posted: October 16 2014 at 07:13 |
Rolling Stone is a quality magazine, just not a quality music magazine. Their investigative journalism is outstanding, especially if you're an American Democrat or simply liberal-minded. That said, it hasn't been a quality music magazine in quite a while....I'd date it back to the late 80s when the record review section went from feature articles on new records and at least 10 pages of lengthy reviews from some of the best rock journalists of the time. Some even date it back to the late 70s when punk hit America, and with it the death of depth and the birth of "what's he wearing".
Genesis used to get slammed in Rolling Stone - look into the archives and read some of the prog reviews....or even Led Zep reviews. And now Page and Plant and even Genesis get positive ink. Revisionist journalism.....doesn't ring true to me. Screw RS.
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Posted: October 16 2014 at 08:00 |
^I agree with almost everything you said there. Rolling Stone was a high quality rock magazine at one point, plus a sharp social commentary on American affairs, yet what it is today is laughable and but a mere shadow of it's old self. But, and I stress this, they were a rock magazine, not prog or electronic or a soul magazine. Just like we focus on prog here. I bet there are no outcrys in the Rolling Stone news room about the lack of Bob Dylan related material on PA.
Edited by Guldbamsen - October 16 2014 at 08:01
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Posted: October 16 2014 at 09:34 |
richardh wrote:
I may be the only person who doesn't give a toss what Rolling Stone thinks |
Been saying that for 30 years! It is one of the least useful music toilet papers around!
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Posted: October 16 2014 at 10:30 |
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Forgive but not forget eh? they are as much part of history as is Steve Hackett's Cured. Inescapable |
The Black Plague was a part of history too, Chris. Does that mean we should accept it and give it a pass. Or the Great Inquistion? Compatable tragedies, No. But lying and obfuscation of facts does not deserve to be given a pass. RS made their money with record company 'endorsements' and 'incentives' from other parties in order to portray then current music trends in ways that were far from true, and the fact that they pander to lady Ga Ga while reviewing a Dylan album in order to appear fair and balanced in the same issue should say it all. I started reading RS when it first came out with the famous Lennon interview and their trashing of Led Zeppelin's first album was the first thing that set off warning bells in my mind: Do these people even have a clue of the current rock music trends? No. Not anymore than they do now. Forgive? Maybe. But that would take an extraordinary act of contrition that RS could never pull off.
Edited by SteveG - October 16 2014 at 17:11
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Posted: October 16 2014 at 13:36 |
^ OK, whatever makes the the mill wheel grind. Everything is subjective though Steve, even Lady Gaga and Dylan. I think Gaga's output in the last five years is a lot better than Dylan's, let's see how she will be faring in 30 years from now. But who are you/we to determine which bands get exposure and which don't? RS is a business , a successful one at that but true some of us do not have to like it. I share more disdain for the likes of NME, Melody Maker who crucified prog bands late 70's/early 80's only cos they were sh*t scared and clueless about the Punk revelution at the time. I mean why not embrace both 
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richardh
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Posted: October 16 2014 at 13:42 |
Svetonio wrote:
richardh wrote:
Svetonio wrote:
richardh wrote:
Svetonio wrote:
richardh wrote:
Svetonio wrote:
richardh wrote:
Svetonio wrote:
Anoraknok wrote:
Rolling stone just promotes the film. Don't be that optimistic.
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Howsoever, Rollingstone has made a step forward for a "rehabilitation" of progressive rock. |
although this is not required. Its only in the general populace view that all these stupid mags subscribe to that this is required. Ignore it and just be happy that you listen to great music. |
Of course it's required. Not for us who are already the fans of progressive rock, but for wider audience, for popularization of the genre, it is required. |
It doesn't need to be popularized. There is so much prog around its coming out my ears. If only I had an infinitite amount of time and money. Prog is an elite passtime. The populace don't care for it. Songs over 5 minutes with no hummable tunes. Prog was only going to be popular at a particular time and that time has long gone. What hasn't gone are the bands and the passionate die hards like us. |
I strongly disagree. Our beloved genre is not a sweet little thing in an old scrapbook of a grumpy old man's childhood; it's actually a living genre that is now global, with the ocean of fantastic bands and it deserves to be popularized, and it goes well with that "rehabilitation" by Rolingstone. Prog can be "in" again. It just needs a strong propaganda in the mags such Rollingstone.
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Propaganda' is a terrible word (as is 'rehabilitation' for that matter) to use in this context although I realise that English is not your first language. (...) |
LOL, okay, let's imagine that I replaced the word 'propaganda' with the word 'advertising' (although it is the same thing), but I stand by everything I said in my previous post. |
that makes more sense in that context
I still hate the word 'rehabilitation' though |
You can hate the word if it will make you happy, but the word "rehabilitation" very accurately describes what happened. |
How exactly? Good art becomes bad art and then becomes good again. Makes total sense on some far away planet.
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Posted: October 16 2014 at 14:11 |
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^ As someone has already pointed out, Rollingstone was a mag whose editorial policy was directed to Rock, not to Prog. Actually, RollingStone was one of the hystorical "fortress" of Rock purists. As you know, Rock purists were / are not like Prog. On the contrary, they hated our beloved genre no less than e.g. the fans of Punk. So I consider this RollingStone's article as a "rehabilitation" of Prog. Get it?
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Posted: October 16 2014 at 15:35 |
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[QUOTE=Chris S]. I think Gaga's output in the last five years is a lot better than Dylan's.
Your opinion is subjective Chris.
I quoted facts. The mill wheel has stopped turning.
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Posted: October 16 2014 at 15:47 |
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And it is time for the matador to dance with the blind shoe-maker!
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Posted: October 16 2014 at 15:49 |
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^The mill wheel just fell over.
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Posted: October 16 2014 at 17:39 |
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If there's something I never understand is why so much importance is given to purists/critics/reviewers articles, for me they are commonly overrated, and not just in RS.
Edited by Rick Robson - October 16 2014 at 17:47
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^Because they encourage 'follow the leader' behavior and determine what is culturally hip instead of the other way around.
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Posted: October 16 2014 at 17:56 |
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^yeah pretty true, and realize one of the reasons for their general friendly behavior regarding the music industry trend, bingo!
Edited by Rick Robson - October 16 2014 at 18:05
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Posted: October 16 2014 at 23:21 |
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I prefer Hustler magazine myself. |
Yep ... at least we know that the pictures are not fake, and the stars are still people. RS was one of the first "People" magazines for rock music. The guy that put it together was more interested in his star rock friends and parties, than he was in the music.
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