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Posted: October 18 2014 at 19:58
^Poor choice of words on my part, Svetonio. I know you were under Yugoslavia's curtain. What's your point? That you're more enlightened then the Soviets? Don't underestimate their smarts. Look where they are now and where Serbia is. And don't underestimate Americans. Just ask for clarifications before making your big speech, and remember that Americans have heard then all, from JFK to Gorbechov.
Try to impress someone else and good luck.
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Posted: October 18 2014 at 19:51
SteveG wrote:
^Seriously Svetonio, how can you not?
I understand that Serbia was clouded by the Iron Curtain for many years but the rest of the impressionable world was not. (...)
LOL it's funny how the common people in U.S. know just a little or nothing about the history of the continent from where their ancestors immigrated. Serbia as a part of Marshal Tito's Ex-Yugoslavia was never "clouded by the Iron Curtain".
On the contrary, my beloved country at that time was threatened by Soviet Union & the Warsaw Pact countries because Marshal Tito was perceived by them as a "revisionist", due to 1) Tito's conflict with Stalin in 1948, 2) our self-management socialism what was something unique in the world, 2) the policy of nonaligment, what together with a decent level of the human rights and, after all, a wealthy society for European standards at that time, was an unique system and far away from so called "the real socialism". For example, those two propaganda films about Yugoslavia (oh, excuse me, "advertising" is the right word!) are made in U.S. in 60s and 80s and both talk more than 1000s words about relationship with official Belgrade and White House at that time; as you maybe know, that kind of positive propaganda in favour of the countries of the Warsaw Pact was impossible in your country.
So, the copies of your Rolling Stone were sold here on newsstands altogether with British mags as Disc, Sounds, Melody Maker, NME and the German mag Bravo - which was actually the best European mag regarding the great colour pics & posters - prog rock bands including. Due to my poor English, I personally prefered Yugoslav mags; also, I loved to read about our domestic Prog and Rock music, what was, in Tito's Yugoslavia, considered as, say, a 'high art'; as such, it was strongly supported by the state, e.g. rock musicans who sold a lot of LPs and played gigs in many of new arenas and stadiums, they didn't pay taxes except a symbolic lump sum, etc.
Tito's Yugoslavia was a fantastic country of happy people; that's actually why Tito's Yugoslavia, ten years after his death, "must" be destroyed due to revenge by these fascists who were defeated in WW2 in Yugoslavia.
Visas for the countries of Western Europe we didn't have to have in our passport during Marshal Tito's Yugoslavia. Believe it or not, in late 70s & 80s, I went several times in London just for a weekend to buy new LPs, to drink beer at Soho's pubs and also to see some bands live. For example, in 1986 I went in London just to see Francis Bacon's exibition at old Tate Gallery and to see The Who (for second time) at Hyde Park where they played Quad. U.S. tourist visas were easily received, so I traveled with my red passport three times in NYC in 80s, as well as a tourist. For Soviet Union, we also had to have a visa for a tourist trip (sadly, just once time I've been in Moscow, as a tourist at Olympic games).
Gangster-socialism of nationalist Slobodan Milosević and NATO aggression on Serbia & Montenegro in 1999, what U.S. and your allies ( e.g. Oasis' fan Tony Bler) created in favor of Albanian UCK terrorists oganization in Kosovo, was something else. Nucleus of the UCK (engl. "Kosovo Liberation Army") were created long ago as a "child" of Sigurimi, Albania's secret police, who was a daughter company of the KGB; after the collapse of the Warsaw Pact, BND puts UCK under their control and armed them with weapons from ex-Warsaw pact countries until 1995, when UCK were start to be supported strongly by CIA. Now many of UCK fighters are in ISIS. It was that "smart" policy by your goverment(s) in Balkans; rather than to kill that nationalist and gangster Slobodan Milosević, you took care of terrorist organization in Kosovo "who fight against Milosevic's regime". Your actually the greatest allies in the Balkans, Serbian nation, were rejected by your goverment due to the Albanian lobby groups' ( with the bank acounts full of money from drugs ) activities in your Congress. Well, I understand that, it was / is "the rest of impressionable world".
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Posted: October 18 2014 at 12:49
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When I looked at it--for me the magazine was NEVER about music it was about popular culture, politics and it's award winning photos by the great Annie Leibowitz.
Absolutely correct and that is what several here are missing who have commented about it's lack of prog coverage over the years. It was never about prog rock but popular music for the most part when it did cover music and do reviews.
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Posted: October 18 2014 at 12:23
^Seriously Svetonio, how can you not?
I understand that Serbia was clouded by the Iron Curtain for many years but the rest of the impressionable world was not. Mags like RS distorted musical tastes as well as musical trends and determined to the fashion conscious what was hip and what was not. RS is just as responsible for the decline of Prog a it was for the assent of New Wave. The magazine simply did make a difference to the world's as well America's musical landscape.
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Posted: October 18 2014 at 11:59
richardh wrote:
Svetonio wrote:
richardh wrote:
Svetonio wrote:
^ As someone has already pointed out, Rollingstone was a mag whose editorial policy was directed to Rock, not to Prog. Actually, RollingStone was one of the hystorical "fortress" of Rock purists. As you know, Rock purists were / are not like Prog. On the contrary, they hated our beloved genre no less than e.g. the fans of Punk. So I consider this RollingStone's article as a "rehabilitation" of Prog. Get it?
(...) Prog suddenly made a comeback (especially in Scandinavia) (...)
...and also especially in Poland, Russia, Ukraine, Belarus, France, Spain, Portugal, USA, Mexico, Argentina, Peru and so on.
Prog has always been a wonderfully universal movement. You are right to mention a lot of other countries although imo USA largely was not as important as far as prog goes sadly although that's not to say there aren't good bands from there of course. I blame for RS for that.
How can youblame a Rockmagas RSforwhateverwashappeninginrelation to Prog? Itishard to understand,you must agree?
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Posted: October 18 2014 at 03:44
Svetonio wrote:
richardh wrote:
Svetonio wrote:
^ As someone has already pointed out, Rollingstone was a mag whose editorial policy was directed to Rock, not to Prog. Actually, RollingStone was one of the hystorical "fortress" of Rock purists. As you know, Rock purists were / are not like Prog. On the contrary, they hated our beloved genre no less than e.g. the fans of Punk. So I consider this RollingStone's article as a "rehabilitation" of Prog. Get it?
(...) Prog suddenly made a comeback (especially in Scandinavia) (...)
...and also especially in Poland, Russia, Ukraine, Belarus, France, Spain, Portugal, USA, Mexico, Argentina, Peru and so on.
Prog has always been a wonderfully universal movement. You are right to mention a lot of other countries although imo USA largely was not as important as far as prog goes sadly although that's not to say there aren't good bands from there of course. I blame for RS for that.
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Posted: October 17 2014 at 15:25
The real shame of Charles post is that it shows that some contributors of RS are not ignorant of music outside of their sphere. These are probably muso writers that have gotten off on Genesis in their youth, but unfortunately in order to pay bills and purchase diapers, they have sold their artistic souls to the corporate devil. Can you imagine the effort it took for this contributor to get his editor to post this Genesis list?
But my first instinct will always dictate in this type of circumstance. Rolling Stone, where were you when we needed you?
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Posted: October 17 2014 at 15:08
I read a Rolling Stone issue back in the 70s and never touched one again! Bunch of dilettante idiot elitists, who probably received more brown envelopes than any radio station ever did. Ask me how I feel about Lester Bangs now!
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Posted: October 17 2014 at 15:02
Horizons wrote:
SteveG wrote:
^But seriously, you're mising the point. As western music floats in, pop will always dominate.
Well of course, it is designed to.
But that doesn't mean all pop is bad.
I'm not sure if you're just pulling my leg, but I would rather that prog fans turn to other areas of rock before going into the land of dreaded pop. After actually typing that, I know you're pulling my leg.
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Posted: October 17 2014 at 11:26
Horizons wrote:
Svetonio wrote:
Horizons wrote:
Svetonio wrote:
richardh wrote:
Svetonio wrote:
^ As someone has already pointed out, Rollingstone was a mag whose editorial policy was directed to Rock, not to Prog. Actually, RollingStone was one of the hystorical "fortress" of Rock purists. As you know, Rock purists were / are not like Prog. On the contrary, they hated our beloved genre no less than e.g. the fans of Punk. So I consider this RollingStone's article as a "rehabilitation" of Prog. Get it?
(...) Prog suddenly made a comeback (especially in Scandinavia) (...)
...and also especially in Poland, Russia, Ukraine, Belarus, France, Spain, Portugal, USA, Mexico, Argentina, Peru and so on.
(...)
Bandcamp albums from these places isn't quite the scale for this.
What "bandcamp albums" means?
Nothing.
Bandcamp is nothing like e.g. ECM that to be something like a label & a genre in the same time.
It's not even a record label. It's a service. A service, such as DHL, Western Union and so on.
Also, there are a some prog oriented labels who sell great & highly rated prog albumsandthey useBandcamp as same as self-signed artists as well, just becausea betterglobalservicedoesnot exist in this moment.When(if) some new service will bebetter than Bandcamp, it willbe a"Bandcamp"then. As same as Bandcampblewout Myspace as well.
Missed my point - oh well.
You can to betin a hard cashthatIhave not missyourpoint. It was actually a verysimple "puzzle"tofigure out..
^ As someone has already pointed out, Rollingstone was a mag whose editorial policy was directed to Rock, not to Prog. Actually, RollingStone was one of the hystorical "fortress" of Rock purists. As you know, Rock purists were / are not like Prog. On the contrary, they hated our beloved genre no less than e.g. the fans of Punk. So I consider this RollingStone's article as a "rehabilitation" of Prog. Get it?
(...) Prog suddenly made a comeback (especially in Scandinavia) (...)
...and also especially in Poland, Russia, Ukraine, Belarus, France, Spain, Portugal, USA, Mexico, Argentina, Peru and so on.
(...)
Bandcamp albums from these places isn't quite the scale for this.
What "bandcamp albums" means?
Nothing.
Bandcamp is nothing like e.g. ECM that to be something like a label & a genre in the same time.
It's not even a record label. It's a service. A service, such as DHL, Western Union and so on.
Also, there are a some prog oriented labels who sell great & highly rated prog albumsandthey useBandcamp as same as self-signed artists as well, just becausea betterglobalservicedoesnot exist in this moment.When(if) some new service will bebetter than Bandcamp, it willbe a"Bandcamp"then. As same as Bandcampblewout Myspace as well.
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Posted: October 17 2014 at 11:08
SteveG wrote:
Svetonio wrote:
richardh wrote:
Svetonio wrote:
^ As someone has already pointed out, Rollingstone was a mag whose editorial policy was directed to Rock, not to Prog. Actually, RollingStone was one of the hystorical "fortress" of Rock purists. As you know, Rock purists were / are not like Prog. On the contrary, they hated our beloved genre no less than e.g. the fans of Punk. So I consider this RollingStone's article as a "rehabilitation" of Prog. Get it?
(...) Prog suddenly made a comeback (especially in Scandinavia) (...)
...and also especially in Poland, Russia, Ukraine, Belarus, France, Spain, Portugal, USA, Mexico, Argentina, Peru and so on.
That only works if they throw Lady Gaga, Fifty Cent and Beyonce out with the trash.
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Posted: October 17 2014 at 11:03
Horizons wrote:
Svetonio wrote:
richardh wrote:
Svetonio wrote:
^ As someone has already pointed out, Rollingstone was a mag whose editorial policy was directed to Rock, not to Prog. Actually, RollingStone was one of the hystorical "fortress" of Rock purists. As you know, Rock purists were / are not like Prog. On the contrary, they hated our beloved genre no less than e.g. the fans of Punk. So I consider this RollingStone's article as a "rehabilitation" of Prog. Get it?
(...) Prog suddenly made a comeback (especially in Scandinavia) (...)
...and also especially in Poland, Russia, Ukraine, Belarus, France, Spain, Portugal, USA, Mexico, Argentina, Peru and so on.
(...)
Bandcamp albums from these places isn't quite the scale for this.
What "bandcamp albums" means?
Nothing.
Bandcamp is nothing like e.g. ECM that to be something like a label & a genre in the same time.
It's not even a record label. It's a service. A service, such as DHL, Western Union and so on.
Also, there are a some prog oriented labels who sell great & highly rated prog albumsandthey useBandcamp as same as self-signed artists as well, just becausea betterglobalservicedoesnot exist in this moment.When(if) some new service will bebetter than Bandcamp, it willbe a"Bandcamp"then. As same as Bandcampblewout Myspace as well.
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Posted: October 17 2014 at 09:29
When I looked at it--for me the magazine was NEVER about music it was about popular culture, politics and it's award winning photos by the great Annie Leibowitz.
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