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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 16 2005 at 15:39

Hey, great. I love all 4 bands!!!

Camel - Nude

Gentle Giant - Acquiring The Taste

Renaissance - Live At Carnegie Hall

Van der Graaf Generator - Maida Vale

My favourite band: Camel

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 16 2005 at 15:58

Camel - Moonmadness (But Mirage on Mondays )

VDGG - Godbluff

Gentle Giant - I've only heard Octopus, and to be honest I'm not that keen. Excellent musicians but their songs dont really strike a chord with me.

Rennaisance - Ashes are Burning

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 16 2005 at 16:04

Originally posted by Yanns Yanns wrote:

Funny, nobody has answered the second part of my question.

Wow, there was a second part. Sry bout that.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 16 2005 at 16:09

great topic i love all four bands dearly:

Renaissance - Live at Carnegie Hall (1976) magical  (as far as studio albums Ashes are Burning (1973) is my fave.

Camel - Mirage (1974)

Gentle Giant - Octopus (1972)

Van der Graaf Generator - tough decision, but I'll go with H to the He... (1970)

Out of these bands I cannot say which is best, but Renaissance is by far my favorite (of these), true Symphonic Prog.  Great piano and vocals, and some wonderful compositions.  Simply georgeous! 

Having said that all four are amazing, the complexity and tightness of GG, the dark emotivness of VdGG's organ/sax/Hammill attack and the beautiful soundscapes and melodies of Camel (notably Latimer's ultra fluid Guitar). 

God what great bands. To think I only discovered GG, VdGG, and Camel about 5 months ago on this site!    Man I missed them earlier.  I've always known Renaissance.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 16 2005 at 16:12

Camel & Rennaisance are my joint faves from this lot.

I love John Touts piano playing. The intro to 'At the Harbour' is fantastic, and apparently is a variation on a Debussey piece. Can anyone confirm?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 16 2005 at 16:19
Originally posted by Trouserpress Trouserpress wrote:

Originally posted by Yanns Yanns wrote:

Originally posted by Trouserpress Trouserpress wrote:

Originally posted by Yanns Yanns wrote:

Funny, nobody has answered the second part of my question.


Oh! I didn't see that bit! No doubt in my mind as to the answer for that one:

GENTLE GIANT!

And I'll never get tired of reminding people about that!

I knew that was coming.



However did you guess?

Just a hunch

By the way, everybody, you know the song "Can You Understand?" by Renaissance? I play it.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 16 2005 at 16:19
Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

Camel & Rennaisance are my joint faves from this lot.

I love John Touts piano playing. The intro to 'At the Harbour' is fantastic, and apparently is a variation on a Debussey piece. Can anyone confirm?

i cannot confirm but i have also heard thta before, Renaissance 'sample' quite a bit of music uncredited.  but they do it well in my opinion.  I alos like Jon tout a lot.   just straight piano, no crazy synth work.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 16 2005 at 16:20
Camel - haven't heard entire albums besides Snow Goose & Moonmadness, but I like Moonmadness a little more
Gentle Giant - The Power And The Glory
Renaissance - One of those bands I've been meaning to check out
VDGG - just can't get into them, as much I have tried

Of the four, Gentle Giant is my absolute fave (and one of my favorite bands)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 16 2005 at 16:52

blacksword wrote :

Gentle Giant - I've only heard Octopus, and to be honest I'm not that keen. Excellent musicians but their songs dont really strike a chord with me.

It's funny. I purchased Octopus few months ago and it was realy nice. although I thought that it is not that essential as most reviewers claim. Then I went to the store and the only other available was their first (gentle giant) so I took it. And for some odd reason I like it much more.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 16 2005 at 16:56

Gentle Giant : everything 'till Giant for a day

 

            

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 16 2005 at 17:10
Originally posted by Yanns Yanns wrote:

Originally posted by Trouserpress Trouserpress wrote:

Originally posted by Yanns Yanns wrote:

Originally posted by Trouserpress Trouserpress wrote:

Interesting band selections! To explain: soft and simple/crunchy and complex/soft and simple/crunchy and complex.

Personally, I don't have much time for soft and simple, at least not from the likes of Camel or Renaiassance. I much prefer the meditative side of Krautrock for times when I want something gentler, so I can't really answer on those two.

Haha! And now, whilst typing this I've remembered JUST how much I love GG and VDGG... I couldn't pick a favourite with either. Tempted to say Godbluff for VDGG but that's only 'cause I was listening to it earlier this evening. No, sorry - I can't answer this one at all!

How useless am I?!


Trouserpress: I read, reread, and reread your post. I came to the conclusion that there is not one bit of info in there.



There isn't! I fully intended for it to be a useful post, but it's rubbish! Very true rubbish, but still rubbish! Oh well... I'll just go and stand in the corner, shall I? *shuffles off, mumbling quietly as he does so*

 

 trouserpress has a wonderful way with words  ... go check his website its really rather good .. but not for the fainthearted ... I was having nightmares last night about that poor little decapitated gingerbread man ...



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 16 2005 at 17:43
Originally posted by felona felona wrote:

Originally posted by Yanns Yanns wrote:

Originally posted by Trouserpress Trouserpress wrote:

Originally posted by Yanns Yanns wrote:

Originally posted by Trouserpress Trouserpress wrote:

Interesting band selections! To explain: soft and simple/crunchy and complex/soft and simple/crunchy and complex.

Personally, I don't have much time for soft and simple, at least not from the likes of Camel or Renaiassance. I much prefer the meditative side of Krautrock for times when I want something gentler, so I can't really answer on those two.

Haha! And now, whilst typing this I've remembered JUST how much I love GG and VDGG... I couldn't pick a favourite with either. Tempted to say Godbluff for VDGG but that's only 'cause I was listening to it earlier this evening. No, sorry - I can't answer this one at all!

How useless am I?!


Trouserpress: I read, reread, and reread your post. I came to the conclusion that there is not one bit of info in there.



There isn't! I fully intended for it to be a useful post, but it's rubbish! Very true rubbish, but still rubbish! Oh well... I'll just go and stand in the corner, shall I? *shuffles off, mumbling quietly as he does so*

 

 trouserpress has a wonderful way with words  ... go check his website its really rather good .. but not for the fainthearted ... I was having nightmares last night about that poor little decapitated gingerbread man ...



...You know, I think we're going to get along very well indeed.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 16 2005 at 17:49
trouserpress .... ...
I was never really sure what I was waiting for. When the moment came I was looking away ......
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 16 2005 at 18:03

Camel - The Snow Goose (by a tiny margin from Mirage, Moonmadness and Nude)

Gentle Giant - Free Hand

Renaiisance - Live at Carnegie Hall

VDGG - nothing at all. Peter Hamill destroys everything for me

 

Camel soft and simple? My arse!! Complex and melodic; packed with emotion. One of the best bands of all time along with Runrig, Wishbone Ash and Horslips. And Renaissance are too sophisticated for some but also a top class band.

 

Trouserpress, I don't normally denigrate other contributors but you are talking utter bollocks IMO. If you don't like Camel, leave them to those of us who do.

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 16 2005 at 18:07
Originally posted by Tony Fisher Tony Fisher wrote:

Camel soft and simple? My arse!! Complex and melodic; packed with emotion.

(snip)

Trouserpress, I don't normally denigrate other contributors but you are talking utter bollocks IMO. If you don't like Camel, leave them to those of us who do.

 


Compared to much of my collection Camel's music is very gentile and simplistic. Sorry, but that's the truth. I'm not saying you can't enjoy them. Personally I can't understand your attitude to VDGG - or indeed anyone who complains about Hammil. It's HIS music! He writes 90% of it, and he writes it FOR HIS VOICE.

If you don't like it, fair enough, but don't just blame the man's singing. VDGG is Hamill's artistic vision.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 16 2005 at 18:19

Very big pizza....

..poor u who asked the question, not much serious answers this time (either!!!!)

  • Camel - Mirage
  • Gentle Giant - Acquiring the taste
  • VDGG - H to He
  • Reniscance - heaven't heard (yet)

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 16 2005 at 18:39

Camel -- Snow Goose

Renaissance -- dont know, not much into them

VDGG -- Pawn Hearts

Gentle Giant -- In a Glass House

The best are VDGG for me from these bands.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 16 2005 at 21:40

Those of you who don't like VDGG/Hammill: What don't you like about Hammill?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 17 2005 at 03:24

Camel: Harbour of Tears (The reason is that I also like celtic music)

Renaissance: Scheherazade. Just great.

Gentle Giant: Octopus, with Free Hand in a very close second position

I really can't stand Peter Hamill's voice, so I don't listen to VDGG.

Which one is the best? All of them are top prog, and all of them have their followers and even clone bands. Thay can't be compared. My favourite is Camel, because it's the most moving music I've ever listened to. I understand in this forum there are a lot of people who prefer hiper-complex music, and usually dissmiss groups like Camel and Renaissance (although most of the time, like in this topic, with respect for both bands). But I came to prog searching for emotion, and ironically you need a certain degree of complexity to archive and comunicate this emotions better. But sometimes I find too complex and avant garde music can dismiss this element (for example, Gentle Giant's 'Interview')

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 17 2005 at 03:39

Moonmadness
Octopus
Ashes Are Burning
Pawn Hearts

Yay me.

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