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Moogtron III
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Joined: April 26 2005
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Posted: June 16 2005 at 15:39 |
Hey, great. I love all 4 bands!!!
Camel - Nude
Gentle Giant - Acquiring The Taste
Renaissance - Live At Carnegie Hall
Van der Graaf Generator - Maida Vale
My favourite band: Camel
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Blacksword
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Joined: June 22 2004
Location: England
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Posted: June 16 2005 at 15:58 |
Camel - Moonmadness (But Mirage on Mondays )
VDGG - Godbluff
Gentle Giant - I've only heard Octopus, and to be honest I'm not that keen. Excellent musicians but their songs dont really strike a chord with me.
Rennaisance - Ashes are Burning  
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Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy!
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Man With Hat
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Jazz-Rock/Fusion/Canterbury Team
Joined: March 12 2005
Location: Neurotica
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Posted: June 16 2005 at 16:04 |
Yanns wrote:
Funny, nobody has answered the second part of my question. |
Wow, there was a second part. Sry bout that.
Gentle Giant
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Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect.
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NetsNJFan
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Joined: April 12 2005
Location: United States
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Posted: June 16 2005 at 16:09 |
great topic i love all four bands dearly:
Renaissance - Live at Carnegie Hall (1976) magical (as far as studio albums Ashes are Burning (1973) is my fave.
Camel - Mirage (1974)
Gentle Giant - Octopus (1972)
Van der Graaf Generator - tough decision, but I'll go with H to the He... (1970)
Out of these bands I cannot say which is best, but Renaissance is by far my favorite (of these), true Symphonic Prog. Great piano and vocals, and some wonderful compositions. Simply georgeous!
Having said that all four are amazing, the complexity and tightness of GG, the dark emotivness of VdGG's organ/sax/Hammill attack and the beautiful soundscapes and melodies of Camel (notably Latimer's ultra fluid Guitar).
God what great bands. To think I only discovered GG, VdGG, and Camel about 5 months ago on this site! Man I missed them earlier. I've always known Renaissance.
Edited by NetsNJFan
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Blacksword
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Joined: June 22 2004
Location: England
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Posted: June 16 2005 at 16:12 |
Camel & Rennaisance are my joint faves from this lot.
I love John Touts piano playing. The intro to 'At the Harbour' is fantastic, and apparently is a variation on a Debussey piece. Can anyone confirm?
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Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy!
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Yanns
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Joined: April 25 2005
Location: United States
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Posted: June 16 2005 at 16:19 |
Just a hunch 
By the way, everybody, you know the song "Can You Understand?" by Renaissance? I play it. 
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NetsNJFan
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Posted: June 16 2005 at 16:19 |
Blacksword wrote:
Camel & Rennaisance are my joint faves from this lot.
I love John Touts piano playing. The intro to 'At the Harbour' is fantastic, and apparently is a variation on a Debussey piece. Can anyone confirm?
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i cannot confirm but i have also heard thta before, Renaissance 'sample' quite a bit of music uncredited. but they do it well in my opinion. I alos like Jon tout a lot. just straight piano, no crazy synth work.
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Ben2112
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Joined: March 15 2005
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Posted: June 16 2005 at 16:20 |
Camel - haven't heard entire albums besides Snow Goose & Moonmadness, but I like Moonmadness a little more
Gentle Giant - The Power And The Glory
Renaissance - One of those bands I've been meaning to check out
VDGG - just can't get into them, as much I have tried
Of the four, Gentle Giant is my absolute fave (and one of my favorite bands)
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omri
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Joined: April 21 2005
Location: Israel
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Posted: June 16 2005 at 16:52 |
blacksword wrote :
Gentle Giant - I've only heard Octopus, and to be honest I'm not that keen. Excellent musicians but their songs dont really strike a chord with me.
It's funny. I purchased Octopus few months ago and it was realy nice. although I thought that it is not that essential as most reviewers claim. Then I went to the store and the only other available was their first (gentle giant) so I took it. And for some odd reason I like it much more.
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glass house
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Joined: June 16 2005
Location: Netherlands
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Posted: June 16 2005 at 16:56 |
Gentle Giant : everything 'till Giant for a day

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felona
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Joined: June 12 2005
Location: Australia
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Posted: June 16 2005 at 17:10 |
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I was never really sure what I was waiting for. When the moment came I was looking away ......
The Church "After Everything Now This"
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The Hemulen
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Joined: July 31 2004
Location: UK
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Posted: June 16 2005 at 17:43 |
...You know, I think we're going to get along very well indeed. 
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felona
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Posted: June 16 2005 at 17:49 |
trouserpress ....  ...
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I was never really sure what I was waiting for. When the moment came I was looking away ......
The Church "After Everything Now This"
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Tony Fisher
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Location: England
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Posted: June 16 2005 at 18:03 |
Camel - The Snow Goose (by a tiny margin from Mirage, Moonmadness and Nude)
Gentle Giant - Free Hand
Renaiisance - Live at Carnegie Hall
VDGG - nothing at all. Peter Hamill destroys everything for me
Camel soft and simple? My arse!! Complex and melodic; packed with emotion. One of the best bands of all time along with Runrig, Wishbone Ash and Horslips. And Renaissance are too sophisticated for some but also a top class band.
Trouserpress, I don't normally denigrate other contributors but you are talking utter bollocks IMO. If you don't like Camel, leave them to those of us who do.
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The Hemulen
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Posted: June 16 2005 at 18:07 |
Tony Fisher wrote:
Camel soft and simple? My arse!! Complex and melodic; packed with emotion.
(snip)
Trouserpress, I don't normally denigrate other contributors but you
are talking utter bollocks IMO. If you don't like Camel, leave them to
those of us who do.
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Compared to much of my collection Camel's music is very gentile and
simplistic. Sorry, but that's the truth. I'm not saying you can't enjoy
them. Personally I can't understand your attitude to VDGG - or indeed
anyone who complains about Hammil. It's HIS music! He writes 90% of it,
and he writes it FOR HIS VOICE.
If you don't like it, fair enough, but don't just blame the man's singing. VDGG is Hamill's artistic vision.
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Guests
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Posted: June 16 2005 at 18:19 |
Very big pizza....
..poor u who asked the question, not much serious answers this time (either!!!!) 
- Camel - Mirage
- Gentle Giant - Acquiring the taste
- VDGG - H to He
- Reniscance - heaven't heard (yet)
cheers
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Hiwatter
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Joined: March 26 2005
Location: Slovakia
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Posted: June 16 2005 at 18:39 |
Camel -- Snow Goose
Renaissance -- dont know, not much into them
VDGG -- Pawn Hearts
Gentle Giant -- In a Glass House
The best are VDGG for me from these bands.
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Yanns
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Joined: April 25 2005
Location: United States
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Posted: June 16 2005 at 21:40 |
Those of you who don't like VDGG/Hammill: What don't you like about Hammill?
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Paco Fox
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Joined: February 10 2004
Location: Spain
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Posted: June 17 2005 at 03:24 |
Camel: Harbour of Tears (The reason is that I also like celtic music)
Renaissance: Scheherazade. Just great.
Gentle Giant: Octopus, with Free Hand in a very close second position
I really can't stand Peter Hamill's voice, so I don't listen to VDGG.
Which one is the best? All of them are top prog, and all of them have their followers and even clone bands. Thay can't be compared. My favourite is Camel, because it's the most moving music I've ever listened to. I understand in this forum there are a lot of people who prefer hiper-complex music, and usually dissmiss groups like Camel and Renaissance (although most of the time, like in this topic, with respect for both bands). But I came to prog searching for emotion, and ironically you need a certain degree of complexity to archive and comunicate this emotions better. But sometimes I find too complex and avant garde music can dismiss this element (for example, Gentle Giant's 'Interview')
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Gentle Ronnie
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Joined: March 17 2005
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Points: 540
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Posted: June 17 2005 at 03:39 |
Moonmadness Octopus Ashes Are Burning Pawn Hearts
Yay me.
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