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zwordser
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Topic: Kansas in the top 100 Posted: February 07 2015 at 16:00 |
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I just noticed that Kansas's Leftoverture has entered the PA top 100 for the first time that I can remember since being a member of PA. As of typing this, it is sitting right at 100.
Now I realize that the PA top 100 is based on multiple ratings by site members, but to answer the question, think of your top 100 prog albums and answer whether or not you personally think Leftoverture belongs there. If not, do you think any of Kansas's albums should be in the top 100 best all-time prog albums? Edited by zwordser - February 07 2015 at 16:16 |
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dr wu23
Forum Senior Member Joined: August 22 2010 Location: Indiana Status: Offline Points: 20500 |
Posted: February 07 2015 at 16:06 | |
I didn't vote yet...have to think on this one. I am a fan of Kansas though and really like all the early ones up to and including Point of Know Return. I might prefer Song For America but still not sure about where they fit into the top 100.
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ClemofNazareth
Special Collaborator Prog Folk Researcher Joined: August 17 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 4659 |
Posted: February 07 2015 at 17:30 | |
When I joined PA 'Leftoverture' and 'Point of Know Return' were both in the Top 100 and 'Song for America' was bubbling a bit under.
Sure, I'd like to see those three as well as 'Masque' and 'Somewhere to Elsewhere', and even the reconstructed first Proto-Kaw in the Top 100. But ultimately that's up to the 50,000+ global membership to decide with their reviews and ratings, and aside from Zappa and Miles Davis most American artists tend to be somewhat discounted by large portions of our membership. |
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Man With Hat
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Posted: February 07 2015 at 17:54 | |
Option #4 for me.
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KingCrInuYasha
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Posted: February 07 2015 at 18:07 | |
I want to say option 5, but, for the moment, I don't think I have enough prog records - let alone Kansas records - to make a final vote.
Maqsue was the first one I listened to and I think that was the best. |
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aapatsos
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Posted: February 07 2015 at 18:16 | |
Their best imo and certainly deserves to be in the top-100, perhaps along with Point of Know Return
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The Truth
Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 19 2009 Location: Kansas Status: Offline Points: 21795 |
Posted: February 07 2015 at 18:25 | |
Never tried the Proto-Kaw stuff, you would recommend it?
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Enchant X
Forum Senior Member Joined: July 31 2014 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 867 |
Posted: February 07 2015 at 18:30 | |
Kansas are easily one of the best prog rock bands ever !!! very few prog bands come close (listen to Magnum Opus, Cheyenne Anthem, Miracles out of Nowhere ... etc ) ... top 100 is a complete insult and shows us how musically illiterate most people on prog archives really are. One of the main reasons I don't visit this site that often is members tend to hold crap up as God and God up as crap , it gets a bit much in the end ... Here is proof of my theory Voyage Of The Acolyte 98 ? anybody who knows anything about prog knows this Steve Hackett album is probably better than anything Genesis ever released or up there with their best ??? 98 ? its some kind of joke I`m telling you ! The top hundred list is Kmart prog .. the type of prog you find in Kmart its really not indicative of the true nature of things and how real prog heads feel .... Kansas were 80% full progressive rock in the 70's Kansas also got voted Best AOR song of all time with Carry on wayward son .. which makes Kansas head and shoulders above most bands on this site. The diversity of Kansas and their spirit is really what prog is all about , they simply refused to conform with the Kmart fads , Don Kirshner loved that about them ... All Hail - Livgren , Walsh , Steinhardt , Ehart , Williams , Hope or be trapped in your small world of Kmart prog forever !
and my last snide remark .. Kansas eats Camel for dinner how Camel is above Kansas is staggering ! theres not a single strength Camel has on Kansas in any area ... its just really weird , Something against American prog is all I can put it down to, which is really silly. Edited by Enchant X - February 08 2015 at 01:14 |
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Luna
Forum Senior Member Joined: July 28 2010 Location: Funky Town Status: Offline Points: 12794 |
Posted: February 07 2015 at 18:38 | |
Last option. They've always felt prog-related to me.
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ClemofNazareth
Special Collaborator Prog Folk Researcher Joined: August 17 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 4659 |
Posted: February 07 2015 at 18:55 | |
Definitely. The back story for 'Early Recordings' alone should be enough to interest most prog fans. These are mostly Livgren-penned songs written as far back as 1970 and originally recorded by an early Kansas lineup that predates any of current or former members besides Kerry. There are a couple songs that were re-recorded by the more famous Kansas lineup. 'Before Came After' features completed or at least reworked bits and pieces of stuff from the early days, while 'The Wait of Glory' is comprised of new material and showcases a group of very mature musicians with a tight sound along the lines of Salem Hill, Crack the Sky, IQ. I wasn't as impressed with 'Forth' but there were some issues with keeping the group together by that point given they all had day jobs and none of them were inclined to try and make a full-time go of it. |
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bj_waters
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Posted: February 07 2015 at 19:17 | |
Still too new to vote, but I'd say it belongs, though I'd push for Point of Know Return being up higher.
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infernalfrog
Forum Groupie Joined: June 30 2013 Location: Brazil Status: Offline Points: 83 |
Posted: February 07 2015 at 19:24 | |
If that Dream Theater crap is on the top 100, why not the good old Kansas?
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Wakeman's Birotron
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Posted: February 07 2015 at 19:57 | |
Song for America sure belongs in my top 100. Leftoverture is a close second, so it probably belongs there too.
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richardh
Prog Reviewer Joined: February 18 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 26371 |
Posted: February 08 2015 at 03:58 | |
I voted for the bottom option. I like some Kansas albums but none are better than 4 stars for me. My favourite is probably the very late in the day Somewhere To Elsewhere. A band that are much better in the live arena imo.
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richardh
Prog Reviewer Joined: February 18 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 26371 |
Posted: February 08 2015 at 04:01 | |
there are a lot of albums that should be in the top 100 that are not. Most obvious to me Rick Wakeman - Six Wives of Henry VIII , one of the best symphonic prog albums packed with tremendous memorable melodies outstanding playing and defined the use of keyboard in prog.
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Stool Man
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Posted: February 08 2015 at 04:46 | |
I'm one of those people who don't consider Kansas to be prog at all.
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sleeper
Prog Reviewer Joined: October 09 2005 Location: Entropia Status: Offline Points: 16449 |
Posted: February 08 2015 at 05:39 | |
Oh look, the lesser spotted self righteous obnoxious tit, you don't see those very often anymore. |
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Stool Man
Forum Senior Member Joined: January 30 2007 Location: Anti-Cool (anag Status: Offline Points: 2689 |
Posted: February 08 2015 at 06:19 | |
Looking at the Top 250, there are many albums that some might find surprising to be outside the Top 100 (for example "Songs From The Wood", "Phaedra", "For Girls Who Grow Plump In The Night", "Brain Salad Surgery" etc).
But obviously the Top 100 albums can only include one hundred albums, regardless of subgenre, decade, or where the band is from. There are over fortysix thousand albums listed on PA, so less than 0.25% of them can be in the Top 100 at any time. |
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octopus-4
Special Collaborator RIO/Avant/Zeuhl,Neo & Post/Math Teams Joined: October 31 2006 Location: Italy Status: Offline Points: 13431 |
Posted: February 08 2015 at 07:10 | |
Personally I don't care about the top anything. It's just a list. How many albums in the top 100 one really likes? Is there anybody who an say he enjoys the whole top 100?
I can't stand with #3, at least not the whole in one shot.
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Raff
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Posted: February 08 2015 at 07:22 | |
This. Personally, I don't agree with many of the albums that are currently part of the Top 100, but that's democracy for you. Obviously, if ratings are taken into account, it is not surprising to see a non-prog album (though a masterpiece by every other name) such as Miles Davis' Kind of Blue rank very high in the Top 100. That being said, I don't think Leftoverture's inclusion in the Top 100 is any more puzzling than that of quite a few other albums. |
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