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Posted: April 03 2015 at 17:31
Your son will be 'initiated'. This will be his moment of profound revelation. .......or he will be knocked-out by Vander's playing You guys are fortunate. Can't see Magma playing Down Under anytime soon.
Joined: September 03 2005
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Posted: April 04 2015 at 06:00
All you lucky folks who get to see them in action........... Strange how I've had the classic Live dbl. and Udu Wudu for almost 20 years, and when I listened to Hhai and Zombies, I didn't place those pieces in the E-Re album So much for me being familiar with them.............. The break-neck Zombies section in E-Re is just mind-blowing - entrancing, powerful and at boiling point. I just don't know what to say............
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Posted: April 04 2015 at 14:59
Thanks for the replies.
Tom, at times Vander’s drumming does have a military sound. I’m not fond of that aspect of his drumming and prefer the other stuff he does. For instance I’ve been meaning to mention that I like the Santana-ish sound at the beginning of Kobaia and how he does it for punctuation and dramatic effects in that song and others.
Jaz, I saw the little Nazi signs in the cover design, and I thought, as you pointed out, that the artwork was depicting the destruction of the earth because of all the bad stuff that was happening on it. (one of the bad things being Nazism)
I suppose in the early 70s a group singing in a strange language that looked/sounded like German and dressed in black with a logo on their shirts would be scary and unusual to people. Though I don’t think the logo itself looks anything Nazi-like. I think it looks sci-fi. As you say, people didn’t understand what the band was about and misinterpreting things.
I’ve read that Vander is a fan of and influenced by John Coltrane. I wouldn’t think that a Nazi white supremacist would be a fan of John Coltrane. I can’t imagine why he’d do an interview for a white supremacist publication. That was a bad idea.
Getting back to the Magma logo emblem and first cover design, that is interesting what Hellogoodbye posted. I had wondered if the bird claw on the first album cover was what the logo emblem was supposed to resemble. But now Vander explained that it isn’t bird related. I wonder what the bird claw represents? The fingers of the claw look like molten magma sprawling out. It looks like smoke at the top. Could it be a volcano with lava coming down? Is this volcano claw there to put an end to the bad thing things happening on Earth? Another thing the smoke top and claw reminds me of is a nuclear blast cloud. Though I don’t think that is what it is.
Joined: September 03 2005
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Posted: April 04 2015 at 15:15
Most Magma artworks are terrific. The 'claw' cover is superb. It's almost signifying an evil lava-flow pouring over the 'petty' human race and all their short-comings. The emblem itself kind of reminds me of mystical, Asian temples, or some unique sect emblem. Be sure to look out for the alternate cover 1001 Centigrades, it's much more excitin than the grey background cover, it's bright, lots of reds and yellows, with purple. It presents the music in a much better way.
these rumors about him being a hitler fan are all well known for years. I mean just look at him in the 1970 video of them miming to Stoah, hes really just copying hitler's mannerisms. Honestly, i think he was just fascinated by the power/emotion of the guy as opposed to his ethics and wanted to capture that raw emotion when he sings.
also the cover of Bobino 81 is basically the nazi sports stadium. all these little things dont mean he is actually a nazi though...great art can often be inspired by terrible things/people/ideas.
its very unlikely that a white supremacist would be OBSESSED with john coltrane (has dedicated like 10 albums to his memory), write tributes to otis redding, have pictures of elvin jones up in his studio, and be married to a jewish woman (stella is jewish)
so i think its pretty clear that hes just a crazy eccentric person
"oh coltrane, i can wait for you. you designed the light. you give me the songs, you give me the love. night and day" - solitude by offering
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Posted: April 04 2015 at 16:08
I'm seeing them a week from today. I'm really excited. I'm not an afficionado, but everything I've heard I've liked. I'm trying to delve into their catalog as much as possible without overloading my brain.
When I start getting into a new band, I'll typically listen to a couple records, and if one of them really grabs me, I'll listen to it repeatedly before going back to previous ones I've listened to or venturing on to new ones. I used to get multiple records/CD's at once and binge listen, and that ended up leaving me confused, as I wasn't able to connect the music to specific albums or time periods, as it was just a jumbled mess in my brain. Digital music buying has kind of wrecked that experience of picking up an album and absorbing it (artwork, lyrics and all), as we can now oversaturate ourselves with music. Off topic, I know, but I think Magma are a band that deserve a more constructive first time listening experience.
I'd also like to recommend vander's 80's project Offering that gets hugely overlooked for being 'too pop' i guess. if you dig his emotive vocal style i definitely recommend those three great albums they released.
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Posted: April 04 2015 at 16:37
I really love the Univeria Zekt album, and the Lockwood/Top/Vander/Widemann 'Fusion' album (from 1981). I have not known anyone to have Francis Moze's solo album.
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Posted: April 04 2015 at 17:36
Pseud0 wrote:
I'd also like to recommend vander's 80's project Offering that gets hugely overlooked for being 'too pop' i guess. if you dig his emotive vocal style i definitely recommend those three great albums they released.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWH0pjRrDWY
yeah sounds like pop music
yeah, Offering presents a lot of variety over the course of their existence, the first one has some songs that sound like where they left off with Merci, and perhaps thats where the "pop" accusation comes from, but throughout their other albums and live efforts, there's all kinds of stuff going on there to celestial almost ambient pieces, freeform improvisation, martial/zeuhlish stuff harkening back to Magma, jazz. gospel, soul, "world", influenced tunes, etc.
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Posted: April 05 2015 at 01:32
Others influences :
There are similarities with "Black & Mortimer" (Belgian comics).
Stories about destruction, oppresion of people, exodus to another planet ...
"The Time Trap" (Le Piège diabolique).
In "Atlantis Mystery" (L'Enigme de l'Atlantide) the capitain is the "Kontarkos".
In "the Yellow M" (La Marque Jaune) : Klaus Blasquiz said that the famous lyrics in the introduction of MDK are inspired by the yellow M (page 38).
The yellow M : "Chétives larves que nous sommes, nous avons osé, dans notre incommensurable orgueil et notre insondable ignorance, injurier, bafouer, insulter et outrager ton rayonnant génie ... (translate.com : Weak larvae that we are, we dared, in our immeasurable pride and our unfathomable ignorance, abuse, scorn, insult and offend your radiant genius...")
MDK : "Terrien race maudite si je t'ai convoqué c'est parce que tu le mérites ... car tu as dans ton incommensurable orgueil et ton insondable ignorance impunément osé me défier, me provoquer et déclencher dans toute son immensité ma colère effroyablement destructive entrainant innexorablement ton chatiment ..." (translate.com : "Terran race cursed if I summoned you it is because you deserve... because you have in your immeasurable pride and your unfathomable ignorance with impunity dared challenge me, cause me and trigger in all its immensity my anger frighteningly destructive catchy innexorablement your punishment ...)
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