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Tom Ozric
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Posted: July 14 2016 at 14:10 |
Topographic. End of story
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Quinino
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Posted: July 14 2016 at 14:12 |
^ Absolutely !
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Son.of.Tiresias
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Posted: September 22 2016 at 01:35 |
"Tales from Topographic Oceans" in 1973 marks the pinnacle of Prog Rock Double Album Concept. If added the Soon section they would had reached TOTAL perfection in melody & harmony, and therefore in everything. The Best Yes Roger Dean Cover as well
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Flight123
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Posted: September 22 2016 at 03:10 |
'Close' 'Tales' and 'Relayer' - I can't separate them. I can't help also thinking that if Moraz had stayed for at least another album, that would also be added....
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Posted: September 22 2016 at 04:11 |
Probably TFTO but for "progression" you could argue a case for The Yes Album and the leap from its predecessor when Steve Howe joined.
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Darious
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Posted: September 22 2016 at 04:57 |
It might be the most ridiculous input to this discussion, but, in my opinion, the most progressive Yes' album would be the 2001's, often oversight and underrated "Magnification". If "Close to the Edge" can be perceived as Yes' "Alpha" then the "Magnification" could be their "Omega", neatly closing their discography (I know there were other issues after the "Magnification", but..). Anderson's vocals are really settled on "Magnification", marking, sort of, an ultimate progression and also there are many "musical interlinks" to the "Close to the Edge", if you listen carefully. Fitting tribute to their early (and successful) orchestral experiences
Edited by Darious - September 29 2016 at 04:44
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Kingsnake
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Posted: September 22 2016 at 05:33 |
When you're repeating what you've alreay done? When you're walking a road already travelled, how in earth can that be called progressive? Tales from Topographic Oceans might be a good, solid album, but not progressive. Yes just continued to do, what they already did.
I would say that Fragile pushed the envelope much more. There was far more experimentation on that album. Just my 2 cents.
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dwill123
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Posted: September 22 2016 at 17:10 |
Close to the Edge
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Pastmaster
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Posted: September 22 2016 at 21:33 |
I would say Fragile.
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TheDankCookie
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Posted: September 23 2016 at 08:59 |
Close to the Edge or Relayer
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Posted: September 23 2016 at 10:14 |
Kingsnake wrote:
When you're repeating what you've alreay done? When you're walking a road already travelled, how in earth can that be called progressive? Tales from Topographic Oceans might be a good, solid album, but not progressive. Yes just continued to do, what they already did.
I would say that Fragile pushed the envelope much more. There was far more experimentation on that album. Just my 2 cents. |
That's kind of what I was saying about The Yes Album, and Fragile was another big step forward with the addition of Mr Wakeman.
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Son.of.Tiresias
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Posted: September 23 2016 at 14:59 |
Tom Ozric wrote:
Topographic. End of story |
Exactly. Their creativeness ended right there. ..... ..... but it was temporary
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Rednight
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Posted: September 23 2016 at 17:02 |
Oh, come on! It's Relayer, for crying out loud! Tales From Topographic Oceans?
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Magnum Vaeltaja
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Posted: September 23 2016 at 17:15 |
Depends on how you define "progressive", really.
Which album "progressed" the most from the one preceding it? Either The Yes Album or Fragile.
Which one fits all of the prog rock cliches the most? Tales.
Which one delves the deepest into the extremes of what progressive music is capable of? Relayer.
I'd end up picking Relayer because it actually applies somewhat to all 3 of these definitions of "progressive".
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mechanicalflattery
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Posted: September 23 2016 at 19:50 |
CTTE is the best, Relayer is the most progressive, TFTO is the most ambitious, The Yes Album was the most groundbreaking within its time and the group's own discography, Fragile is the ugly redheaded step-child that we let roam around doing odd things so that we don't seem like we're favoring the other children...
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Son.of.Tiresias
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Posted: October 10 2016 at 12:22 |
Flight123 wrote:
'Close' 'Tales' and 'Relayer' - I can't separate them. I can't help also thinking that if Moraz had stayed for at least another album, that would also be added....
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But he never did although he stayed with then for two years, maybe more. Only one album ? One studio album in the "mature stage" of Prog in early 1974 - late 76 with Progīs biggest band ? Doesnīt make any sense and I complete see why.
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Catcher10
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Posted: October 10 2016 at 14:51 |
Tom Ozric wrote:
Topographic. End of story |
Exactly.......It starts with the album title "Tales From Topographic Oceans" and ends with Track 4/Side 4.
Please close this thread .
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AFlowerKingCrimson
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Posted: October 10 2016 at 22:37 |
Relayer
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Tom Ozric
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Posted: October 11 2016 at 03:52 |
FRAGILE, TOPOGRAPHIC, RELAYER, DRAMA...................... .........no more. Yet why do I have 20 vinyls+ of theirs ??? (Not 90125 or the massive Generator....)
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Son.of.Tiresias
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Posted: December 10 2016 at 09:21 |
For my senses thereīs nothing progressive in relayer. I have always found it utterly dull and unbalanced and harsh sounding, the first time I heard sound chaser I burst out laughing. Still do. Actually a rather funny album
The mighty Soon section ? A typical brilliant Yes piece but feels like doesnīt quite belong there. Iīd put it into Oceans instead. Without it that Moraz era album would have been a total disaster. Not his fault of course, he did the best he was allowed to contribute, and actually itīs totally irrelevant who plays keys there. Progīs rock bottom nevertheless
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