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 Posted: April 27 2017 at 12:42 |
 Larkstongue41 wrote:
DDPascalDD wrote:
the track Starless is undoubtedly something new, no track like it
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I have to disagree. Starless is one of the least "original" Crimson song. The first half carries a similar mood and follows the same pattern as Exiles and the recurring guitar parts (or violin, depending on the version you listen to) are taken directly from Exiles' solo at the end. The heavy middle section sounds like it belongs to the Larks suite and the sublime ending is built the same way as the climax of Islands although it is much more intense. Don't get me wrong, I love Starless. It is the song that officially got me into KC a few years back but their catalogue has much more to offer. |
Not to mention the fact that the main melody at the start sounds reworked from the Bolero passage of Lizard. If anything, I think that part of what makes Starless so powerful is that it calls back to all the emotional King Crimson moments from the past few years in a sort of nostalgic send-off.
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Posted: April 27 2017 at 12:23 |
DDPascalDD wrote:
the track Starless is undoubtedly something new, no track like it
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I have to disagree. Starless is one of the least "original" Crimson song. The first half carries a similar mood and follows the same pattern as Exiles and the recurring guitar parts (or violin, depending on the version you listen to) are taken directly from Exiles' solo at the end. The heavy middle section sounds like it belongs to the Larks suite and the sublime ending is built the same way as the climax of Islands although it is much more intense. Don't get me wrong, I love Starless. It is the song that officially got me into KC a few years back but their catalogue has much more to offer.
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Posted: April 27 2017 at 11:54 |
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They're both great. Red speaks more to me personally so I'd take that if I could only take one, but as a critic I'd probably rate Court just as highly.
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Posted: April 27 2017 at 09:19 |
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I'm not sure either. Just a bad attempt at humor.
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Posted: April 27 2017 at 07:40 |
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^Not sure what you mean. I meant that Red has a lot of qualities and is much more enjoyable for me and beyond that still is renewing.
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Posted: April 27 2017 at 07:01 |
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Groundbreaking is not everything. The only thing I like to listen to from Court is the first track, one of their best- but the rest...Red takes it all. Still brings defenitely something new to the table. Although not as renewing as SABB and Larks', the track Starless is undoubtedly something new, no track like it. Also arguably their best, that minimalistic 13-beat part is one of the hardest to listen to for the first time for me, but also the one that hits me the most emotionally. That this part is able to be both is outstanding. And that ending... Nothing beats that. |
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Posted: April 27 2017 at 06:55 |
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Red's the best. It set the template for Crimson forever (mixed with a
spot of Discipline). Neither are perfect but damn near it. KC had
finally said all they had to say on that diminished scale thing (for a
while) and quit on a Starless high.
Court was not the first prog
rock LP (here we go) merely the first classic. The Nice, Moody Blues,
Floyd, Procol Harum are not going to be written out of history like this
is the Prog rock Hall of Fame.
It's not that one LP is better
than another it's that KC were limited by format and listeners
absolutely governed by the constrictions of the 30 - 40 minute LP. We
don't think outside that circular box do we?
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Posted: April 27 2017 at 06:52 |
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Red's the best. It set the template for Crimson forever (mixed with a spot of Discipline). Neither are perfect but damn near it. KC had finally said all they had to say on that diminished scale thing (for a while) and quit on a Starless high.
Court was not the first prog rock LP (here we go) merely the first classic. The Nice, Moody Blues, Floyd, Procol Harum are not going to be written out of history like this is the Prog rock Hall of Fame.
It's not that one LP is better than another it's that KC were limited by format and listeners absolutely governed by the constrictions of the 30 - 40 minute LP. We don't think outside that circular box do we?
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Posted: April 27 2017 at 04:31 |
Groundbreaking is not everything. The only thing I like to listen to from Court is the first track, one of their best- but the rest... Red takes it all. Still brings defenitely something new to the table. Although not as renewing as SABB and Larks', the track Starless is undoubtedly something new, no track like it. Also arguably their best, that minimalistic 13-beat part is one of the hardest to listen to for the first time for me, but also the one that hits me the most emotionally. That this part is able to be both is outstanding. And that ending... Nothing beats that.
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Posted: April 27 2017 at 04:19 |
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Posted: April 27 2017 at 04:01 |
Pinkyesgenesistull wrote:
I know that In The Court Of The Crimson King bassically started progressive rock but I don't think it is their best album. Its a great album but personally I think Red is their best. Is that an unpopular opinion? |
I think it's far from their best, In the Wake of Poseidon is ten times better. In the Court is one of their worst IMO. Red beats the living hell out of Court and even that's not their best either 
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Classical music isn't dead, it's more alive than it's ever been. It's just not on MTV.
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Posted: April 27 2017 at 03:35 |
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Both are very different but both are very good. I think I slightly prefer Red. Lark's Tongues however is my favourite Crimson album
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Posted: April 26 2017 at 21:43 |
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I think they're both very strong albums, though they'd rank 5th and 6th as far as my King Crimson favourites (with Court ever so slightly higher). They're certainly very different stylistically, but I think that they both excel at what they are; one is the perfect start to a lucrative career, the other a fitting swan song to cap it off (temporarily, anyway).
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Posted: April 26 2017 at 21:05 |
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But, even though I believe preference would be slightly in favor of Court, there are many people who will prefer Red itself (or Larks Tongues).
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Posted: April 26 2017 at 21:04 |
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My favourite Cimson album is In the Court. After that one, yeah, Red, I guess. Larks Tongues and The Power to Believe are also great.
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Posted: April 26 2017 at 19:38 |
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Posted: April 26 2017 at 18:52 |
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To me, there are two strong two-album combos in KC's discography:
ITCOTCK and ITWOP ; LTIA and SABB.
Those are their best four records. You pick the order.
The fifth place would be either Lizard or Red ....maybe Discipline.
But the top four are untouchable.
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Posted: April 26 2017 at 18:26 |
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Lark's Tongues in Aspic and Starless and Bible Black are better than Red and In the Court of the Crimson King.
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Posted: April 26 2017 at 18:10 |
Larkstongue41 wrote:
I prefer Red as well but I would tend to say that Court is the better album mostly because it is much more diverse musically. Also, I believe Red did not bring anything new to the table, it was a bit of a rehash of Larks and S&BB imo whereas Court was groundbreaking. |
Agreed.  End of thread.
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