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YESESIS
Forum Senior Member Joined: July 26 2017 Location: Maine Status: Offline Points: 2215 |
Posted: August 10 2017 at 22:21 | ||||
Yeah, I guess you have a point.. I probably shouldn't let the dark lyrics stop me. Karn Evil 9 has some dark lyrics lol(and other obvious songs by them). But somehow with this band it seems more serious(just the way the guy sings.. a lot of passion I'll give him that). Anyway, I'll try to get to those songs you recommended. Thanks for your input.
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Dellinger
Forum Senior Member VIP Member Joined: June 18 2009 Location: Mexico Status: Offline Points: 12612 |
Posted: August 11 2017 at 21:08 | ||||
Peter Hamill is for me a force to be reckoned with in prog, and a very unique singer. He just doesn't go the obvious way, and that makes it difficult for some people to like him, but I do apreciate his unique aproach at singing. There are times that it seems there's at least two different singers in the same song, while it's all him. |
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MFP
Forum Senior Member Joined: March 31 2009 Status: Offline Points: 9017 |
Posted: August 12 2017 at 09:29 | ||||
Both top 10 bands for me. Magma need a vote.
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Dopeydoc
Forum Senior Member Joined: September 05 2016 Location: France Status: Offline Points: 1366 |
Posted: August 12 2017 at 11:55 | ||||
Magma!
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YESESIS
Forum Senior Member Joined: July 26 2017 Location: Maine Status: Offline Points: 2215 |
Posted: August 12 2017 at 17:13 | ||||
Come on Magma!!! However I have been listening to more VdGG and realized that both 'White Hammer' and 'Man-Erg' seem to have happy endings. And not that I necessarily need that in a song but it does give me a little more faith in this band moving forward lol. I truly WANT to like them, so we'll see what happens. Thank you all for your responses so far.
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irrelevant
Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: March 07 2010 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 13382 |
Posted: August 17 2017 at 19:44 | ||||
Magma grabbed me big time.
Van der Graaf are yet to... |
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YESESIS
Forum Senior Member Joined: July 26 2017 Location: Maine Status: Offline Points: 2215 |
Posted: August 17 2017 at 20:58 | ||||
Same |
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zwordser
Forum Senior Member Joined: October 04 2008 Location: Southwest US Status: Offline Points: 1362 |
Posted: August 24 2017 at 16:43 | ||||
Last week I would have said VDGG, but Magma really blew me away with their incredible performance at Psycho Las Vegas last weekend. So now I can't decide!
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maryes
Forum Senior Member Joined: August 16 2009 Location: rio de janeiro Status: Offline Points: 990 |
Posted: August 24 2017 at 17:36 | ||||
Although I'm not VDGG great fan, Magma sound (nor Zeuhl style ) never attracted me !!!
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Tapfret
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Posted: August 24 2017 at 17:53 | ||||
This...this is the difference between everyone else and Magma. When I first bought MDK 30 years ago I was less than impressed. After seeing them live they clicked more so than any other of the several hundred live acts I have seen. Afterwards their albums took on a whole new life.
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YESESIS
Forum Senior Member Joined: July 26 2017 Location: Maine Status: Offline Points: 2215 |
Posted: August 24 2017 at 20:26 | ||||
Glad to see this has gotten a little closer now. For me Magma is the clear choice, but hard to beat VdGG on here it seems. Maybe I should give them another try.. yeah I prolly should.
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Saperlipopette!
Forum Senior Member Joined: December 20 2010 Location: Tomorrowland Status: Offline Points: 10069 |
Posted: August 25 2017 at 03:49 | ||||
I don't really get why this has any relevance at all - but people are different. I guess you can say that VdGG or rather Peter Hammill is an existentialist - in the early 70's in a naive-or youthful way (but I love it nevertheless) but from ca 1974-75 his imagery and metaphors gets quite sophisticated. Compare the wide eyed "teen angst directness" of Killer or Lost to the gloomy, compex wordsmithery of Sleepwalkers or how he deals with similar "alone in the universe/why are we here"-questions in the ever-expanding Red Shift - just four years later. - I'm afraid I seem to have strayed somewhat from my original brief. But in a nutshell: its not about how it ends. Its asking unanswerable questions and creating sceneries - grand or intimate for us to experience. I love how Hammill manages to combine intellectually ambitious lyrics while still wearing his heart on his sleeve. Anyway if you fear darkness, unhappy thoughts or endings - never google "Kobaïan dictionary". You may risk never wanting to meditate to Magma again. Ẁurdah Ïtah!
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CosmicVibration
Forum Senior Member Joined: February 26 2014 Location: Milky Way Status: Offline Points: 1344 |
Posted: August 25 2017 at 10:40 | ||||
Magma for the most part does not
seem to be dark at all but rather very optimistic and of the light. Even though there is mentions of human
frailties and the evilness of people this is just an observation as to what’s
going on.
Jon Anderson of Yes, although being very positive and spiritual in his lyrics also speaks of such things. Relayer is a prime example, but even on Close to the Edge, which is mostly light there are contrasts of darkness. I just picked up the latest DVD from Magma, Emehntentt-Re Trilogie, it’s simply mind blowing. http://www.seventhrecords.com/en/video-dvd-38/emehntehtt-re-trilogy-1260.html The premise seems to be an expanded version of Yes’s Close to the Edge. There’s an interview with Christian Vander that’s over an hour long discussing not only the uniqueness and complexities of the music but the evolving concept of the band Magma. KA: K.A is a story of someone that’s a bit confused looking and fumbling for his way in life. He is on a religious spiritual quest, searching and trying different paths not certain which one to take.
Kohntorkosz: As Kohntorkosz he finds a path that resonates with him and is set on his journey to becoming a master.
Ëmëhntëhtt-Ré: Ëmëhntëhtt-Ré was a grand master that was looking for immortality. Konhntorkosz goes on a pilgrimage to visit the burial place of Ëmëhntëhtt-Ré. As Konhntorkosz enters the burial chamber and opens the dusty tomb he falls into a trance. He is overloaded with information that will take him a lifetime to process. . Vander goes into much more detail but this is what I can remember from one quick viewing. The interview is also in French which I don’t speak so I had to stay focused on the subtitles. The main concept is that there are many levels of consciousness or awareness before full enlightenment. This is everyone’s journey whether they realize it or not. Evolution is inevitable… |
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Cosmiclawnmower
Forum Senior Member Joined: August 09 2010 Location: West Country,UK Status: Offline Points: 3082 |
Posted: August 25 2017 at 14:47 | ||||
I think this a very valid poll; both band's fans are extremely passionate about their favourite, in many cases fans of one love the other too (but not necessarily so..). It doesn't matter which ever way you vote, just expressing your passion and love for particular band helps keep its legacy alive. I love both and really cant choose even after to thinking it in quite a bit of depth.. good call though!!
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CosmicVibration
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Posted: August 25 2017 at 15:30 | ||||
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1eGgXa360-E&t=17s excerpt from Köhntarkösz off of Ëmëhntëhtt-Ré Trilogie DVDEdited by CosmicVibration - August 25 2017 at 15:34 |
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mlkpad14
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Posted: August 25 2017 at 16:32 | ||||
How do you compare two really awesome bands like these?
It's like comparing Black Sabbath and Metallica... People do it, but I can't choose... The Rolling Stones and Led Zeppelin...
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dr prog
Forum Senior Member Joined: September 25 2010 Location: Melbourne Status: Offline Points: 2449 |
Posted: August 25 2017 at 16:46 | ||||
Magma and Graaf are pretty even. But I give Magma the vote because Graaf missed 3 of the best years of prog eg. 1972-74. As for the other bands, Sabbath and Zeppelin easily
Edited by dr prog - August 25 2017 at 16:47 |
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All I like is prog related bands beginning late 60's/early 70's. Their music from 1968 - 83 has the composition and sound which will never be beaten. Perfect blend of jazz, classical, folk and rock.
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AFlowerKingCrimson
Forum Senior Member Joined: October 02 2016 Location: Philly burbs Status: Online Points: 16534 |
Posted: August 25 2017 at 16:57 | ||||
And you admit it? The second part I mean. Hey, I did too and look what good it did me(and us).
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siLLy puPPy
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Posted: August 25 2017 at 18:00 | ||||
MAGMA VAN DER GRAAF GENERATOR |
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YESESIS
Forum Senior Member Joined: July 26 2017 Location: Maine Status: Offline Points: 2215 |
Posted: August 25 2017 at 18:15 | ||||
Thanks for all the responses so far everyone, and particularly all the
information.. I just did some research on my own and I will NEVER listen
to Magma again.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magma_(band) The "Controversy" section Edited by YESESIS - August 25 2017 at 18:16 |
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