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The Dark Elf
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Posted: February 23 2018 at 19:47 | ||
For 1969, Jethro Tull's Stand Up smokes all three of those albums. It's not even close.
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Prog Sothoth
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Posted: February 23 2018 at 19:55 | ||
∆ Well yup, and that King Crimson album wasn't too shabby either.
Out of these, VdGG gets my vote by a hair over Yes. |
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dr wu23
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Posted: February 23 2018 at 20:13 | ||
^.....yes, people love to insert their own choice in polls where that isn't an option....
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Logan
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Posted: February 23 2018 at 21:42 | ||
I don't mind people mentioning other albums, but I like it when people comment on and choose from the choices and mention their picks, such as how Prog Sothoth did (and if they think of other albums, choose ones that have has as many parallels to the choices as possible). And I'm generally fine with people joining in on discussion even if they don't have a pick as I am interested in reading what people think, the associations they make etc. and I like discussion. I like it when people think laterally and outside the box (sometimes I address ten things in a single post, and I'm happy when people ramble off into new territory). It does sometimes bug me, though, when someone just says an "other" choice without even attempting to comment on the selection. There's a reason why I choose to link albums, and part of the fun for me in polls is figuring why people may have related certain ones and what does it say about that person (getting inside the mind of the OP). But don't get me wrong, I have a lot of respect for The Dark Elf and enjoy his wit, articulateness and contributions to the forum, so I'm just speaking in generalities in response (there's no one in this thread that I don't enjoy the contributions of enough to be bothered by tangents etc. from...).
None of these three that I listed is my favourite album from 1969. I chose these three as "debut" albums from 1969 which are lower rated than subsequent albums by the bands, and are not considered to be albums where the classic sound was fully formed, and all three, one might argue, have proto-prog elements. Stand Up is a very good second album, and is my favourite Jethro Tull album. Had I done a general 1969 album list then it and In the Court might well be listed (both highly rated albums), but the JT album I would sooner compare to these three would 1968's Benefit (also one of my favourite JT albums). One of my favourites from 1969 is Soft Machine's second album, but again I don't think it would fit what I was thinking about. That would smoke any of these three for me and Soft Machine's first from 1968 would beat them too. Lots would beat In the Court and Stand Up for me too. Anyway, it's not a great poll, and I don't think Genesis fits the list that well (was going to do just the Yes and VdGG as I find them more comparable, but I felt that the Genesis fit in reasonably well despite being lower-rated and more different from the band's subsequent efforts). From the 60s, not just 1969, some of my favourites are: Amon Düül II - Phallus Dei Can - Monster Movie Alpes & Catherine Ribeiro - Catherine Ribeiro + 2Bis Kraftwerk (Organisation) - Tone Float Miles Davis - In a Silent Way Fifty Foot Hose - Cauldron Soft Machine - Volume II Soft Machine - Volume I White Noise - An Electric Storm Arzachel - Arzachel The Zodiac: Cosmic Sounds Pink Floyd - Piper at the Gates of Dawn Pink Floyd - A Saucerful of Secrets Pink Floyd - Ummagumma Kevin Ayers - Joy of a Toy The Advancement - The Advancement David Axelrod - Song of Innocence Colosseum - Valentyne Suite Mort Garson - The Wozard of Iz: An Electronic Odyssey The Incredible String Band - The 5000 Spirits Or The Layers Of The Onion The Incredible String Band - The Hangman's Beautiful Daughter Writing on the Wall - Power of the Picts High Tide - Sea Shanties Tea and Symphony - An Asylum For The Musically Insane The Open Window - The Open Window Holy Music - Malachi Captain Beefheart - Safe as Milk Captain Beefheart - Trout Mask Replica The Pentangle - Basket of Light East of Eden - Mercator Projected Renaissance - Renaissance Procol Harum - Shine on Brightly King Crimson - In the Court of the Crimson King Santana - Santana Forest - Forest Jethro Tull - Stand Up Jethro Tull - Benefit etc. If I start thinking about ones included in Proto Prog/ Prog Related and not at the site, then my list would grow much more. Terry Riley deserves special mention for his early albums and in terms of just enjoyment, I love Ennio Morricone. Edited by Logan - February 23 2018 at 22:07 |
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Mortte
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Posted: February 23 2018 at 23:18 | ||
My 1969 favourites: Caravan: s/t Pink Floyd: More Pink Floyd: Ummagumma King Crimson: ITCHYCOCK Amon Düül: Phallus Dei Jethro: Stand Up Soft Machine: Volume Two Rolling Stones: Let It Bleed the Beatles: Abbey Road Kaleidoscope: Faintly Blowing Wigwam: Hard N Horny Captain Beefheart & His Magic Band: Trout Mask Replica Stooges: s/t MC5: Kick Out the Jams Dr. John: Babylon Family: Family Entertainment Mothers of Invention: Uncle Meat Zappa: Hot Rats Janis Ian: Who Really Cares Fairport Convention: What We Did On Our Holidays Fairport Convention: Unhalfbricking Fairport Convention: Liege & Lief Laura Nyro: New York Tendaberry the Who: Tommy the Kinks: Arthur Colosseum: Valentyne Suite Kevin Ayers: Joy Of a Toy It was also quite a year!
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Logan
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Posted: February 23 2018 at 23:32 | ||
Yeah, actually, I agree with you. Yes' debut does sound more like Time and a Word than Aersosol sounds like The Least We Can Do to me too. Nice list. I;ve been into the Family album of late, by the way (should have been on mine, and some others on your list, and for the 60s generally, I love Family's Music in a Doll's House from 1968 too). Edited by Logan - February 23 2018 at 23:37 |
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Tom Ozric
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Posted: February 23 2018 at 23:59 | ||
Aerosol Grey Machine (mainly for the track Octopus)
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Mortte
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Posted: February 24 2018 at 01:41 | ||
Just listened Aerosol again (itīs the VDGG album I have listened least). Really like it much! Itīs kind of funny album, when music is quite psychpop, but vocals are as great as later VDGG-albums. Also keyboards are not dominating that much, only Octopus started to sound what was coming. I think Genesis and VDGG albums have much more in common, theyīre both sounding really sixties albums when Yes was already heading towards seventies that time. But sometimes I like more sixties clear, echoed sounds than seventies soft, but almost non-echoed, dry sounds.
But still, Yes is greatest of those three albums to me.
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BaldJean
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Posted: February 24 2018 at 02:12 | ||
nice lists, but 2 of my favorite 1969 albums are missing; maybe I will think of more later:
Circus - Ciircus (early jazz-rock/fusion) High Tide - Sea Shanties (an absolutely smoking album) |
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Logan
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Posted: February 24 2018 at 02:33 | ||
The High Tide did make my 60s list a few posts above. It's tucked in between Writing on the Wall and Tea and Symphony. That Circus is a fine album that I didn't think of (I think I might have discovered it because of you).
Incidentally, there's another Circus I like too which released a self-titled in 1976 and a very good album called Movin' On in 1977. |
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BaldJean
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Posted: February 24 2018 at 02:55 | ||
some more 1969 albums that i think weren't mentioned; correct me if I am wrong:
Neil Young - Neil Young Cream - Goodbye Chicken Shack - O.K. Ken Ten Years After - Stonedhenge Ten Years After - Sssh Steppenwolf - Monster Steppenwolf - At Your Birthday Party Jefferson Airplane - Volunteers Steve Miller Band - Your Saving Grace Vanila Fudge - Near the Beginning MC5 - Kick Out the Jams Grateful Dead - Aoxomoxoa Spooky Tooth - Spooky Two Velvet Underground - Velvet Underground Edited by BaldJean - February 24 2018 at 02:58 |
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Mortte
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Posted: February 24 2018 at 03:32 | ||
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Mortte
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Posted: February 24 2018 at 03:33 | ||
^Sorry, also like really much Steppenwolf Monster, it went away with those others.
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