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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 24 2018 at 16:26
Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

What is remarkable to me is that ANY young fans get into prog from the 1970s! 

The music is over 40 years old.  When I was in college, listening to CTTE etc., I would have been kicked out of the room had I tried to play music that was 40 years old (1930's vintage).  Some of that was very good (big band jazz, primitive blues etc) but we didn't sit around and listen to it!  

I listen for progressive influences in modern music, and there are quite a few if you look hard enough.  

 However, the modern stage spectacles of twitching, twerking dancers detracts from my enjoyment of the music, if that is even possible!  I quite like acts like Lady GaGa, but the emphasis upon dance is rather annoying to me.  

Then again, I'm a guitarist. 

No problem at all with bands like Muse, Tool etc., they carry the torch of the 70s. 


It's a bit different though because we are at least talking about the same genre here. Were you listening to seventies big bands in college? I don't think big band was even an active genre thirty years later unless you count one of those Frank Zappa albums. LOL The Grand Wazoo was it? Even that was a bit different. Tongue

Even so I get where you're coming from though. I think the younger generation wants to listen to what is current and hip for the most part. However, some of them do like classic rock so here's the trick. You find the ones who like classic rock and modern prog but haven't discovered classic prog yet. Actually, if that's the case I think it's only a matter of time before they discover "the usual suspects." 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 24 2018 at 16:26
Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

Originally posted by fredyair fredyair wrote:

When I attend prog gigs I notice that the average attendant is about my age, fifties, mostly guys and a few ladies, my wife occasionally goes depending on the show. Are we a dying breed?
 
Well before being a dying breed, we're first an endangered specie.... Ouch


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 24 2018 at 17:05
Yes, the base is getting older - but all music genres are too (look at some of the old punk rockers at some reunion gigs in cities up and down the country). Each picks up younger, enlightened recruits, but they will never compensate for most of us growing older and sadly some of us passing on. The audience for the classic prog bands can be depressingly grey, balding, rounded, slower walking and still predominately male (although I do think some of our wives or partners now join us more to see what our obsession is all about - my wife will seeing Camel for the first time later this year, for example)

Where I do have faith that prog will continue beyond the next couple of decades, is the support we give to those younger prog or post-rock bands to keep going and at least break even financially. We have a duty to allow this generation to prosper, so they can have a chance to catch and keep younger fans, who will then appreciate the modern and classic and see the strengths in both. Hoping to see a much younger audience soon when I watch Steven Wilson or even Marillion in the next month or so.

In the end though, it will all fade, sadly - so let's enjoy it while we can. I can dream that in several hundred years' time a young couple will discover a dusty old slab of vinyl and hear a song called Supper's Ready, Close to the Edge or Thick as a Brick for the first time, and love them like we did - as we might have done yourselves with Mozart. Beethoven or Mahler etc. from centuries earlier ourselves.

...you think that might be an idea for an album concept for the likes of Rush or Dream Theater?   
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 24 2018 at 18:50
I know an 8 year old kid and a 60 year old man, who both listen to medieval era classical music (as do I) - neither know each other or are related. 




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 24 2018 at 18:56
I sat next to a pretty old guy at a prog concert once, and it was something like ten years ago.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 24 2018 at 21:31
Prog fans come in all ages though. Stereotyping really does none of us good. I talked to a guy in 2000 at a prog festival who said he was 51. That would make him in his upper sixties now. Also, my brother told me a while back that his son has a friend(probably the same age as his son so around 16 maybe) who is into prog but my brother insisted that it's newer non prog metal bands. I can't think of any popular newer non metal prog bands but he really insisted and I didn't want to go around in circles arguing with him. Lol.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 24 2018 at 22:05
Don't you think the nature of society being entirely nostalgic, as being sort of contradictory to this thread? 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 24 2018 at 23:22
I don´t think nature of society´s is automatically nostalgic. I think it´s more that cultures have their ups and downs. In popular music culture up has been in the sixties and seventies and now we are going down, maybe it is not going up anymore, but coming some other culture form that will come up. But I think when men come older, they become nostalgic. When you have lived quite many years, you just want to remember the great moments in your life. The present life just mostly isn´t full of great moments.

Also, one thing I think why now seem to be a lot of nostalgia in our time is that really big speed of development in many areas in today´s world. I have read somewhere that this all technical and also all kind development is much more faster than evolution, so our brains are in big trouble with all this information and big changes coming every day. So I think nostalgia brings us at least feelings of safety in the middle of this all mess.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 25 2018 at 07:56
Hi,

I'm inclined to think that it has ALWAYS been like that.

During the 60's there was (still) an appreciation for classical music, and many artists were touring and people were seeing them, and catching many of them was not easy, as the tickets were gone fast. But, it was clear that a lot of the musicians were "fading" and that the experiments were getting far more attention than the intricate details of Rimsky-Korsakoff's 79th Piano Concerto in Z-Minor!

All of a sudden, the wails and movements of Robert Plant on stage were much more fun to watch and interesting, when compared to the blaze and sometimes very boring classical music contingent. And the light shows, though cheap and poop'y in the extreme, was still way better than what they gave Andres Segovia, or Misha, or Nureyev. And you don't even want to discuss Maria, or Pavarotti's lighting ... it was even worse!
Nowadays, I see the Symphony here, cry for help and suggestions ... but when I gave them a suggestion for some Frank Zappa, they promptly put Pink Martini on their program, to make it look like overaged sexy is still cool in the same old classic pieces of music.

Likewise, when I saw YES a couple of years ago (before CS left us sadly!), the thing that bothered me the most? The audience ... the smelliest (not really sweat like the old LZ days! Or dope like PF days!) and the most make up of any audience I have ever seen, to the point of me thinking that this was the kind of imaginary beauty that they all envisioned with YES music? I can handle going on a date at 67 ... but having to put on all that?

Times change and the main audience for most music anywhere is always the 20's and the 30's more or less and they carry it for each generation ... the only fear I have is that the folks that are now listening to rap, are going to kill it before they get old! And never see anything again.

Reminds me of a line in a movie to Mick Jagger ... you'll look funny at 65 with make up on!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 25 2018 at 21:25
Originally posted by Dellinger Dellinger wrote:

I really am not interested in music from the 30's to 50's (though perhaps I should check out for any good stuff, but somehow I guess it would be the odd one out).
Gershwin. 

The music of George Gershwin, I feel hits some of the same chords as prog in this proghead. (And I enjoy Lift Your Skinny Fists Like Antennas To Heaven)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 25 2018 at 23:50
About fifties interesting music everybody who is interested in experimental music should check out Harry Partch. It´s not just interesting music, he even made own instruments that are based on the ancient instruments. Really great & weird sounds!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 26 2018 at 02:37
I think there are huge social changes involved in all of this, but one which is probably underappreciated is the role of technology and communications.

Prog rock just doesn't lend itself to the soundbyte mentality of generations raised on MTV and then MP3's and itunes. itunes enourages the downloading of single tracks rather than the in-context downloading of entire concept albums, played track by track in the order they were supposed to be heard. I only have to go and look at the track lists on the music app on my ipad to see that people aren't reviewing (and presumably therefore not downloading) longer, or 'album only' tracks.

I suppose in a sense that's just a modern version of the single vs the album, still, it doesn't seem a very prog-friendly method of accessing music.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 26 2018 at 02:46
Music just seem not to be as much passion to the most people´s as it has been. Of course there always been quite little people who it means as much as it means to me.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 26 2018 at 12:36
Well, music doesn't mean the same thing to the young people today it meant 40 years ago. I mean, back then, few teenagers had their own TV set, and video games were unheard of. Also, pop music is no longer predominantly based on rock. Rather, it is now mostly based on R&B, hip-hop and EDM, making rock a specialist genre much as jazz has ever been since WWII - a genre predominantly listened to by adults.

There probably is a difference between the audiences of classic prog acts and those of more modern ones - the latter will be younger on average, but still mostly above 20.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 26 2018 at 13:09
Hi,

I might like to add that there is one thought that seems to repeat itself time and again ... and it is that when your kids are old enough they kindly (or unkindly sometimes) tell you to stuff it and go their own way, pretty much the same way you and I did.

That means that what they like is not your cup of tea, and they are into beers and some booze and maybe some dope and rap, and you are not ... anymore!

Thus the fact that "older" music has a tendency to be found again, and appreciated by a different generation and we're seeing that NOW with the "progressive music" thing, and if you go look at the history of many composers, a lot of them were not exactly appreciated during their time, and many biographies study how they coped.

It seems to me that nothing has changed, except the clothing, and now we have some instruments that do not need strings at all! And we still don't like rap, like the kids do. Well, you know them well that many of our parents did not like the loud noise we were listening to, either.

As a joke, in the Edgar Froese book there is a funny bit ... it took a religion 500 years to admit that the earth was not flat ... and apologize to Galileo. Sometimes it takes too long ... but a certain thing called "internet" brought to us music from everywhere, and some folks had not forgotten a great bunch of pieces of music, that will likely be remembered for a long time ... I think we call many of these "progressive", right?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 26 2018 at 21:26
It has been very enlightening reading all the replies to my simple question, many different points of view and interpretations. 
Getting old is not that bad, at least now, like some people pointed out, I can afford to go to any concert that pleases me, not only for the money but because of not having so many obligations with the kids out of the house. 
Have fun guys, keep progging!
Long live Progresive music!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 26 2018 at 22:53
^to getting older is not automatically means you have more money, at the moment I have quite as little money as I have when I started my studies.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 27 2018 at 02:16
"Prog rock? You mean what the cavemen listened to?" Tongue Cool

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 27 2018 at 02:22
^No, they didn´t listen it, they´re doing it all together!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 27 2018 at 07:54
Originally posted by Frenetic Zetetic Frenetic Zetetic wrote:

"Prog rock? You mean what the cavemen listened to?" Tongue Cool

Nahhhh ... the cavemen and the monkeys (gorillas?) were too busy using bones to bash anything, and I actually had the thought that SK was trying to show us what the first music was in that 2001, A Space Weirdness thing! One problem ... the bones had no strings and were not exactly tuned!

Btw, the sound of the bones is touched up so they do not sound so bad ... and that was the reason why I thought it might have been an attempt at showing us where music came from accidentally. As for us, oh well, who woulda thought that bones were what made us ... the wrong bones, of course!

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