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Lewian
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Posted: March 02 2018 at 12:52 |
BaldFriede wrote:
I would actually divide the output of Genesis in three categories:
1) The "Before Hackett" era. 2) The "With Hackett" era. 3) The "After Hackett" era.
I think Hackett's departure had a much bigger impact on the band than Gabriel's departure.
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I agree. Marillion could hold post-Hackett Genesis to a draw in my books, but because there's a "Hackett and Collins" period, Genesis wins this one easily.
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Dellinger
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Posted: March 02 2018 at 13:32 |
BaldFriede wrote:
I would actually divide the output of Genesis in three categories:
1) The "Before Hackett" era. 2) The "With Hackett" era. 3) The "After Hackett" era.
I think Hackett's departure had a much bigger impact on the band than Gabriel's departure.
| So do I. Actually, what I missed the most about Gabriel leaving was the flute, even though it wasn't even that prominent, but it did give a particular feel to the music that was lost after he left. Perhaps that's why I don't really like The Lamb very much (if I remember correctly, there are no flutes on that one).
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Man With Hat
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Posted: March 02 2018 at 14:40 |
If Genesis stopped at Wind And Wuthering this would be a difficult poll. Since they didn't, Marillion.
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Mortte
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Posted: March 02 2018 at 14:52 |
Although I prefer Gabriel era of Genesis, Genesis has still always been better than Marillion.
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Cristi
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Posted: March 02 2018 at 14:53 |
Mortte wrote:
Although I prefer Gabriel era of Genesis, Genesis has still always been better than Marillion. |
Invisible Touch, Abacab, We Can't Dance beg to differ if you ask me...
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Mortte
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Posted: March 02 2018 at 14:57 |
Cristi wrote:
Mortte wrote:
Although I prefer Gabriel era of Genesis, Genesis has still always been better than Marillion. |
Invisible Touch, Abacab, We Can't Dance beg to differ if you ask me... |
I like quite much Abacab and We Canīt Dance. Much more than any Marillion album.
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Cristi
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Posted: March 02 2018 at 15:10 |
Mortte wrote:
Cristi wrote:
Mortte wrote:
Although I prefer Gabriel era of Genesis, Genesis has still always been better than Marillion. |
Invisible Touch, Abacab, We Can't Dance beg to differ if you ask me... | I like quite much Abacab and We Canīt Dance. Much more than any Marillion album. |
I like a few songs on those albums as well, but overall rather dissatifying albums. Fish era Marillion albums on the other hand don't have any weak moments, a single bad song.
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AFlowerKingCrimson
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Posted: March 02 2018 at 15:56 |
Collins era could start with "Nursery Cryme" even though that's probably not what the OP had in mind. Even so "trick" and "wind" are great albums and even those by themselves is enough for me. I only know some Fish era Marillion albums and while they were great I think I actually prefer the Steve Hogarth era over all for Marillion so PC era Genesis for me.
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Progmind
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Posted: March 02 2018 at 17:36 |
BaldFriede wrote:
I would actually divide the output of Genesis in three categories:
1) The "Before Hackett" era. 2) The "With Hackett" era. 3) The "After Hackett" era.
I think Hackett's departure had a much bigger impact on the band than Gabriel's departure.
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This Try to beat ATOTT and W&W
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BaldFriede
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Posted: March 02 2018 at 18:08 |
Dellinger wrote:
BaldFriede wrote:
I would actually divide the output of Genesis in three categories:
1) The "Before Hackett" era. 2) The "With Hackett" era. 3) The "After Hackett" era.
I think Hackett's departure had a much bigger impact on the band than Gabriel's departure.
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So do I. Actually, what I missed the most about Gabriel leaving was the flute, even though it wasn't even that prominent, but it did give a particular feel to the music that was lost after he left. Perhaps that's why I don't really like The Lamb very much (if I remember correctly, there are no flutes on that one). |
Wrong; there is flute in "Cuckoo Cocoon", "Waiting Room", "The Light Dies Down On Broadway" and "The Lamia" (though barely audible in the last one).
Edited by BaldFriede - March 02 2018 at 18:32
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BaldJean and I; I am the one in blue.
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Dellinger
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Posted: March 02 2018 at 21:16 |
^ I guess I'll have to listen to it again. But in general The Lamb lost that pastoral feel I like in previous Genesis albums, as well as the long instrumental passages. And whatever remains of those elements, just isn't as memorable for me.
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BaldFriede
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Posted: March 02 2018 at 22:07 |
I must admit I never considered Genesis to be "pastoral". Anyway, the
story of "The Lamb" is of an angry youth who has some surreal
experiences. There is hardly anything pastoral about that, so it
wouldn't have fitted. And don't tell me It is about a lamb, so it has to be pastoral, as in the Gregorian chant "Tu es pastor ovium" ("You are the shepherd").
Edited by BaldFriede - March 02 2018 at 22:08
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Mortte
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Posted: March 02 2018 at 23:52 |
^Lamb rules!
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Blacksword
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Posted: March 03 2018 at 05:03 |
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Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy!
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Cristi
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Posted: March 03 2018 at 05:08 |
Blacksword wrote:
I agree, and also agree with BaldFriede about the era's. However, I would also say that Marillion never recorded anything better than And then there were three... |
I love ATTW3, but I can list a few Marillion albums I enjoy more:
Misplaced Childhood Clutching at Straws Holidays in Eden Brave Anoraknophobia Marbles
Edited by Cristi - March 03 2018 at 05:13
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Blacksword
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Posted: March 03 2018 at 05:15 |
Cristi wrote:
Blacksword wrote:
I agree, and also agree with BaldFriede about the era's. However, I would also say that Marillion never recorded anything better than And then there were three... |
I love ATTW3, but I can list at least 10 Marillion that I enjoy more than ATTW3 (LOL) | The only Marillion album I enjoy as much as ATTWT is Script. ATTWT has weak points, bt also has Down & Out, Undertow, Burning Rope, Deep in the Motherlode and The Lady Lies, which trump anything Marillion ever wrote IMO..
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Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy!
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Cristi
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Posted: March 03 2018 at 05:16 |
I edited that post and made it more specific. :)
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Hercules
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Posted: March 03 2018 at 07:40 |
Gabriel's departure from Genesis was a blow, but Hackett's was the real catastrophe.
The 2 albums with Collins on vocals and Hackett on guitar are very good, but after that, it's all downhill.
The Marillion 4 albums with Fish are generally excellent and they didn't get any worse when he left.
So Marillion for me.
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Rednight
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Posted: March 03 2018 at 14:51 |
Marillion - that great also ran.
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