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Larkstongue41 
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 Posted: April 08 2018 at 12:17 |
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^ I'd add Peter Hammill to this lot. You may not like his singing but his lyrics are quite extraordinary.
A certain member on here uses a line written by Peter Hammill from my very favourite verse all eras and genres included as his signature...
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The Dark Elf
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Posted: April 08 2018 at 11:41 |
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From a "prog" standpoint, I would suggest Ian Anderson and Peter Gabriel are far better. Peter Sinfield is quite accomplished as well. I would consider any one of the three as poets, as opposed to Peart as just a lyricist with an occasional hard-on for Ayn Rand.
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AFlowerKingCrimson
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Posted: April 08 2018 at 11:34 |
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I just found out that Mike Portnoy is a fan of rap. That's quite surprising to me.
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moshkito
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Posted: April 08 2018 at 08:45 |
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It's different for every generation. I simply think that this generation does not have the musical ability and lyrical flow to show that they have something that is outstanding and above the norm. That's not to say that rap is nothing, for there are some very fine things in there, but considering what is behind it, and calling it "music" is a bit scary for me!
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verslibre
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I also crossed over from metal (into progressive electronics first!) and I never had an issue with Gedd's voice. Not one bit. Awesome singer. There are some metal vocalists I could never get into, like King Diamond. Awful.
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Atavachron
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Posted: April 07 2018 at 13:36 |
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Good point. |
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Argos
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Posted: April 07 2018 at 13:09 |
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I who came from a heavy metal/hard rock phase right into prog didn't have a difficult time to get used to the hard prog music that they made, but still Geddy's vocals are a tough nut to crack, even more than any metal vocalist.
Though, I still think theirs is a weird sound, considering they're not symphonic prog like most prog bands even if you ended up getting into Rush you might have difficulties liking other ones that are softer. As others have said, getting into any type of music requires you to listen to many many bands all at once so as to expand your sound palette quicker.
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wiz_d_kidd
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Posted: April 07 2018 at 13:03 |
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Why all the discussion about the quality of Peart's lyrics? Rush isn't even prog, let alone good prog, so the whole point is moot. It's a discussion for a generic rock 'n roll forum. Seriously, we should add a new genre called "Prog Wannabe's" and add Rush, Kansas, and everything that Steve Wilson has done.
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Posted: April 07 2018 at 12:02 |
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AFlowerKingCrimson
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Posted: April 07 2018 at 11:50 |
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Exactly. Post of the day as far as I'm concerned.  I defy anyone to find me a lyricist who is more well read and has more intelligent and thought provoking lyrics than Peart. Can't do it because it can't be done.
 The guy has read about a book day for the past fifty years. Edited by AFlowerKingCrimson - April 07 2018 at 11:51 |
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Frenetic Zetetic
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Posted: April 07 2018 at 11:45 |
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You guys...are Neil Peart's lyrics overrated or underrated...?
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Posted: April 07 2018 at 11:38 |
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Neil's a great lyricist. There have been times when he seemed to phone it in, but when he's on, he's ON.
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AFlowerKingCrimson
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Posted: April 07 2018 at 11:30 |
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Micky, you still haven't mentioned which bands have better lyrics than Rush? Anyway, you are entitled to your opinion about Rush and their lyrics. To each their own I guess. I do agree with you though that if you haven't "gotten" them as a band by the age of 25 you likely won't but I think the same is true about Yes and actually most prog.
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verslibre
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Posted: April 07 2018 at 11:14 |
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You didn't complain. LOL!
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AFlowerKingCrimson
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Posted: April 07 2018 at 11:06 |
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The fact that you mention VDGG in the same sentence as Henry Cow and then used the word mentally scared tells me I'd probably like Henry Cow. :D
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The Dark Elf
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Posted: April 07 2018 at 11:02 |
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While I am sure it is fascinating listening to Steve's tuna-boat memories of 1960s girls with bad hygiene and hairy armpits, returning to the subject I think you're better off fooling someone into liking prog. Don't even mention prog. Let them listen to 1970s Floyd or Tull, depending on their musical proclivities, and then ease them into something more outlandish. For god's sake don't just drop a VdGG or Henry Cow album on them out of nowhere. They could become mentally scarred and end up hating you.
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SteveG
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Posted: April 07 2018 at 10:50 |
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Posted: April 07 2018 at 09:49 |
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ahhhh.. and in lieu today of acid you can trust dropping, good weed and clean needles
we have posts by our beloved Pedro....
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The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip
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moshkito
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Posted: April 07 2018 at 09:37 |
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EXCUSE ME?  YES fans, of old, did the best acid, the longest serving grass and on occasion, the cleanest needle there was! Oh, we also drank bottled water because one of the guys told us that pop was bad! AND, we thought that medieval clothing, make up and knee high boots were awesome, and wore them, although if we did that at school the principle and the teachers would tell you to go home, shower and dress and then come to school! The dope wasn't bad, the music was better, and the scene? Too much Clairol and Hair coloring for my tastes and the kisses tasted awful with all those chemicals!
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SteveG
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Posted: April 07 2018 at 06:32 |
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