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moshkito ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 04 2007 Location: Grok City Status: Offline Points: 18993 |
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Hi,
At this point, I would say that KE is probably the more important of the two ... RW was in YES, and even he admits that too much of the music was filler and not that big a deal and that even things like TFTO were boring and whatever ... well, you and I know that TARKUS on the hands of Rachel Flowers, and several other pieces on her piano, are without a doubt some of the finest piano/organ concerts done in all of the 20th century, and since RW is not a great musician to see what has been done with KE's material, and show us that his compositional skills are more important than the 68 instruments he uses for one riff each! As much as I like RW, and his playing is excellent, and probably more on par with classical musicians, in the end, his lack of respect, even in humor, for a lot of his work in that band, simply makes me think that he was there more for the "filler" than he was for the music, and of course, he left and did not help establish even further and better that group's tradition. KE, at the very least, continued creating new material, and did not waver in his compositional skills ... the main difference being that one was being a serious musician and the other was just being a dressed up clown in the middle of so many keyboards, that made things look impressive ... today what he did can be done with 2 keyboards, probably one! With Keith's material in Rachel's hands, I see a lot more than just some small bit and piece supposedly about something or other ... listen to that piano, and you can't help think ... that is a massive piece of music! While I like RW's work in YES, I really can not say the same thing about him!
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Mormegil ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 03 2010 Location: NE PA Status: Offline Points: 8171 |
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I prefer Wakeman's output.
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I prophesy disaster ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December 31 2017 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 5011 |
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I don't have a clear preference for one over the other so I voted for "Both Equally".
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verslibre ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July 01 2004 Location: CA Status: Offline Points: 19748 |
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Not sure what you have against Rick. He did return to the band. The new material on Keys To Ascension is some of the band's best, IMO — and better than anything since. They also did royally burn his son, Oliver. Fly From Here sucks, except for the track he's on.
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interesting thought I hadn't considered at first.
I voted Emerson, based on his work with ELP. But when I think about solo work, I prefer Wakeman. So when I consider both careers in total, it's pretty much a toss up.
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maryes ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: August 16 2009 Location: rio de janeiro Status: Offline Points: 990 |
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Very difficult choice, two virtuous musicians but... Wakeman wins !!!
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Both are excellent. Wakeman has a much larger (yuge) catalog of original recordings, and although not all of it is great, he has recorded a much larger quantity of high-quality music. Emerson seems to have stopped writing and recording on a number of occasions, and his proudest symphony was on Works I.
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Then why did Wakeman compose so much more music than Emerson? And why did Emerson rely even more on doing covers? |
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Actually, I prefer Wakeman's solo output over ELP's. |
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Wakeman ‘BBQ’d’ a Mellotron, Keith trashed his Hammond. Fair game
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Six Wives, King Arthur and No Earthly Connection aside, quantity clearly doesn't trump quality. From around '86 Wakeman was churning out 5 or 6 albums a year of fondant new age drivel. Maybe he had more ex wives to satisfy than Keith? ![]() |
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Great musicians. Wakeman is more prolific, but Emerson reached a higher peak...so Emo it is.
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Emerson impresses me more with technicality and dexterity, but Wakeman's diverse keyboards, especially on Fragile and CTTE are among the most magical I can imagine.
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Both great. Emerson by a whisker...
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This debate goes on since the '70s. My vote goes to Keith. Less albums but more consistent. I love Wakeman but his huge solo newage production is quite boring. Despite masterpieces like The Wives, No Earthly connection, Criminal Records, Journey (and also 1984, Cost Of Living and few others) if you land on the wrong album you risk to give them up. It doesn't happen with Keith, neither with things like Are You Ready Eddie?
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I love Barbara. I wish Keith was still around.
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Barbu ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 09 2005 Location: infinity Status: Offline Points: 30855 |
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probrably both.
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I agree both are amazing and have respect for both. However, I wonder sometimes how much of Emerson's material, especially on studio albums, was a result of layering tracks on top of each other, or speeding up the recording like on his version of "Maple Leaf Rag". Honestly, I think Emerson is the stronger composer but Wakeman was the stronger performer and he was more versatile.
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I can vividly recall whole albums of Emerson's playing while with ELP. Wakeman? More of a hear and there kind of keyboardist.
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