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AFlowerKingCrimson 
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If Van Der Graaf Generator aren't in the Big Six, I boycott the Big Six!!!
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There are some interesting omissions in these lists:
a) Asia - They sold a ton of LPs & had nearly constant radio airplay. I run hot & cold on their music, but they should qualify as a "big" band. Is the criteria "big" subjective or based upon some metric (album sales, size of concerts etc.?) b) fusion - how about Weather Report? Jaco is acknowledged to be one of the leading bassists in history, and he was a huge influence. Steely Dan is another band that made it huge, at least stateside where I am sitting. I would certainly include Tull in the second tier, easily! They are nearly first-tier. Is the criteria for "big" bands subjective or based upon some metric (album sales, size of concerts etc.?) |
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It gets murky there. I, for one, would gladly take VDGG before ELP. So, Van der Graaf Generator is automatic pick for me. Then we have to include Gentle Giant, Rush, Camel. Only two spots left, I'm going full seventies here, Frank Zappa and... Renaissance? [I don't think PFM, Kansas, Harmonium or Focus have as many votes as these two]
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Posted: November 28 2019 at 06:24 |
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My "Big Six" are Yes, Genesis, King Crimson, Jethro Tull, Gentle Giant, and Van der Graaf Generator
Nobody remembers who came second
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Posted: November 29 2019 at 00:21 |
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Still have to remind that the Big Six is generally accepted so the OP is asking for your second tier. I'm sure there are other threads that discuss who you would take out and put in but this is not it. As I said on a different thread I would take out Tull and include PFM from a personal point of view. I also get the love for VDGG and GG who should both have been more successful but for some reason it didn't really happen apart from in some strange parts of the globe. I also think you could probably argue that Floyd shouldn't be included because they were something different altogether and maybe belong on a 'Classic Rock' Big Six list instead ( Zep , Purple , Sabbath would be there but not sure about the others) . I don't even remember them being called Prog back in the day. That seems to be a slightly revisionist view of things and even the band themselves have challenged the idea of them being 'prog'. Admittedly there are quite a few that have! |
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YESESIS
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Posted: November 29 2019 at 11:36 |
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Trying to be objective here, my next 6 would probably be.. GG, Camel, VdGG(locked in). Then Rush, Caravan, Marillion.
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Posted: November 29 2019 at 12:24 |
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Based on their highest rated album in the Top 100 list, the top 6 artists are: Yes and the next 6 artists are: Camel
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Psychedelic Paul
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Posted: November 29 2019 at 12:28 |
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How can two obscure Italian bands possibly be in the second tier when Prog-Rock originated in England?
 I doubt if hardly anyone in England has even heard of Premiata Forneria Marconi (PFM) or Banco Del Mutuo Soccorso, so how can they be "big" bands?
Are you Italian? I'm sensing there may be a bit of bias here.
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Posted: November 29 2019 at 12:45 |
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Based on the number of albums in the Top 100 list, the top 6 artists are: Genesis and the next 6 artists are: King Crimson |
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Posted: November 29 2019 at 13:01 |
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My lists are completely objective, based on the PA Top 100 albums list. There are two distinct ways of ranking the artists, giving two different sets of artists, with a core group of artists common to both sets. |
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An interesting case is Gentle Giant, who have 5 albums in the PA Top 100 albums list (matched only by Genesis), but whose highest rated album doesn't even place them in the top 12 of that list. |
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Posted: November 29 2019 at 13:28 |
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My take on the "Classic Rock" bigs would be... for "Classic Rock" as such, Pink Floyd, Led Zeppelin, Queen, The Beatles, and The Rolling Stones. And for Hard Rock, I think it's actually a known thing to consider Led Zeppelin, Black Sabbath, and Deep Purple as the (un)holy trinity. I still am thinking mostly of british acts, and 70's / 60's (as with prog), because I think that time and place made the best rock / pop / prog, and it makes it easier to remain within those boundaries... otherwise I wouldn't know were to stop. |
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Posted: November 29 2019 at 13:32 |
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I would say
GG VDGG Camel Oldfield Dream Theater |
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Psychedelic Paul
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Posted: November 29 2019 at 14:07 |
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What if you asked them if they'd heard of Emerson, Lake & Palmer? Rhetorical question. Just to say that I'm good with the 'Big 6' in the OP. And most on here seem to be as well, for the most part.
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Psychedelic Paul
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Posted: November 29 2019 at 14:42 |
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^^ Can there be anyone in England between the ages of 18 and 65 who hasn't heard of Emerson, Lake & Palmer?
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Posted: November 29 2019 at 18:24 |
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Psychedelic Paul
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Well, maybe there are some BBC Radio 1 listeners between the ages of 18 and 25 who haven't yet heard of ELP.
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Posted: November 30 2019 at 05:09 |
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So because prog rock originated in England, the people of England have special rights to decide who's a big prog rock band? What nonsense! |
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