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Poll Question: Which Yes Record Do You Prefer?
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It looks like I’m Running out of options.

It's ok. Someone has to final eyes it. 
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Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

I'm waiting for the Tormato  vs. Open Your Eyes poll. LOL
I thought few seconds to make it, but then noticed Tormato would absolutely win (I would have voted Open Your Eyes). I believe there are people who hate Open Your Eyes even never heard it.
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If you asked me 20 years ago I would have said Drama.  But after that I all in on 90125.  Both a quite good but I still will play 90125 but Drama never enters my mind when I want to listen to Yes anymore. 
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I rank 90125 about as highly as Invisible Touch, which is not very high. Drama on the other hand is one of their better albums.
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Originally posted by iluvmarillion iluvmarillion wrote:

I rank 90125 about as highly as Invisible Touch, which is not very high. Drama on the other hand is one of their better albums.

I would tend to agree. 90125 is middle of the pack Yes in my book. The Ladder, Magnification, Talk, Big Generator and ABWH are all more interesting albums with much of the depth of old Yes that 90125 lacks.


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Originally posted by Jaketejas Jaketejas wrote:

90125
90125
90125
90125
90125
90125!!!

Not fake Yes!

There. I think I countered them all. I love Drama (see other thread) but 90125 kicks booty!

How is 90125 also not "fake" YES? Lol.

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Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Originally posted by iluvmarillion iluvmarillion wrote:

I rank 90125 about as highly as Invisible Touch, which is not very high. Drama on the other hand is one of their better albums.

I would tend to agree. 90125 is middle of the pack Yes in my book. The Ladder, Magnification, Talk, Big Generator and ABWH are all more interesting albums with much of the depth of old Yes that 90125 lacks.

Crazy, I feel the same way!

There's some hella catchy tunes on 90125, but outside of Owner of A Lonely Heart, not much sticks with me (Ok, ok, Leave It rules too!). Cinema is a great little instrumental, but that could've been anyone!

Drama is like Chris Squire unchained.

Originally posted by iluvmarillion iluvmarillion wrote:

I rank 90125 about as highly as Invisible Touch, which is not very high. Drama on the other hand is one of their better albums.

This is exactly how my mind sees it as well. I enjoy it miles ahead of Invisible Touch, though; it just marks the end of what I'd call traditional Yes music. Drama is like Yes reinventing themselves in all the right ways IMHO!

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Originally posted by iluvmarillion iluvmarillion wrote:

I rank 90125 about as highly as Invisible Touch, which is not very high. Drama on the other hand is one of their better albums.
There are not any as cheesy songs in 90125 as the title song of Invisible or "In Too Deep". On the other hand I really like "Tonight, Tonight, Tonight", "Land Of Confusion", "Domino" & "the Brazilian".
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How can anybody deny that 90125 is AOR? Like feckin flat earthers.. or knobs, like young earth creationists...
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And Drama has a stench of cheesy eighties pop that cannot be denied, obviously the bass comes to the fore as a lot of it sounds like level 42....with buggles cheesiness bolted on....

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I like Drama a lot and think it was a successful attempt to update the established Yes style. Does it Really Happen? sounds like old-style Prog mixed with New Wave synth pop/rock and it actually works. 90125 is an enjoyable album with some good songs, but it's still basically Yes going AOR and I don't play it as much as Drama.
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Originally posted by iluvmarillion iluvmarillion wrote:

I rank 90125 about as highly as Invisible Touch, which is not very high. Drama on the other hand is one of their better albums.


90125 is leagues ahead of Invisible Touch. IT is a pop album. I struggle to even recognise it as Genesis at times. 90125 is a groundbreaking album; brilliantly played melodic hard rock with Trevor Horn/Art of Noise style production, is arguably more progressive and refreshing than anything on Drama, which basically sounds like the Buggles jamming with Chris Squire. Invisible Touch is measurably mostly rubbish.

That said I do love Drama, I'm just fighting the corner for the unloved masterpiece that is 90125. It would be in my top 5 Yes albums..    and to be fair Drama would probably there too. I like the Buggles, what can I say..
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Originally posted by Mortte Mortte wrote:

Originally posted by iluvmarillion iluvmarillion wrote:

I rank 90125 about as highly as Invisible Touch, which is not very high. Drama on the other hand is one of their better albums.
There are not any as cheesy songs in 90125 as the title song of Invisible or "In Too Deep". On the other hand I really like "Tonight, Tonight, Tonight", "Land Of Confusion", "Domino" & "the Brazilian".
Taking away the now dated production, above said tracks are pretty faithful Genesis compositions.
I’d love to hear the Invisible Touch album songs, played with the Selling England instrumentation and production. It would be an interesting result methinks.

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^ can SEBTP be mentioned in the same thread as IT? Completely non overlapping magesteria musically speaking...
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^ can SEBTP be mentioned in the same thread as IT? Completely non overlapping magesteria musically speaking...
Yes, but, how much better would, say, Tonight Tonight Tonight sound with Hammond, Mellotron, Arp synth, Rickenbacker bass, natural drums, Hackett Guitar etc.......??
P.S. sorry for derailing the topic.....

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Originally posted by Tom Ozric Tom Ozric wrote:

Originally posted by Mortte Mortte wrote:

Originally posted by iluvmarillion iluvmarillion wrote:

I rank 90125 about as highly as Invisible Touch, which is not very high. Drama on the other hand is one of their better albums.
There are not any as cheesy songs in 90125 as the title song of Invisible or "In Too Deep". On the other hand I really like "Tonight, Tonight, Tonight", "Land Of Confusion", "Domino" & "the Brazilian".
Taking away the now dated production, above said tracks are pretty faithful Genesis compositions.
I’d love to hear the Invisible Touch album songs, played with the Selling England instrumentation and production. It would be an interesting result methinks.
To me "In Too Deep" is lot cheesier than "More Fool Me". But you´re partly right, I think it´s those electric drums and sounds that irritate me in "Invisible Touch" song and also in album generally. Heard that title song not a long ago from the radio and it wasn´t that bad anymore.
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It's the sound of IT that lets it down the most. There's probably three strong songs on that album, but the whole thing sounds like it's being played by a bog standard 80's sequencer. When you consider the rich drum sound Collins used to produce from Trick through to Duke, to be reduced to that generic 80's tuppaware sound is depressing.
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Drama is an excellent album, both for Yes catalogue and for 1980 prog, why some peoples complain about, is beyond me.
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Is this poll symptomatic of the a switch of the demographic? I'd much rather rate supposedly derivative copy symphonic prog than the eighties sh*te that seems to have an uncomfortably large fanbase in the new demograph....
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Originally posted by Manuel Manuel wrote:

I'm not particularly fond of either, though I agree they're not bad albums. For some reason, I don't find the Yes magic in either album.

My views exactly.
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