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Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

The Doors were a pop band.

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Given their ability, work and long cuts, and meaningful experience for the most part, I would think that they defy the idea of what a pop band means, and later in life, even Ray M. expressed the feeling that they did not like that "radio" was telling them what to do ... they wanted to be a "visual" band, one that kinda evolved from FILM ... for its ideas, and Jim M. managed to do that beautifully many times. 

If you say ... yummy yummy the love is in my tummy, I can handle that ... but saying that Light My Fire, which you could easily say is about an erection ... is scary ... very scary ... and I am pretty sure that all members of The Doors, knew the difference between crap and real stuff.

That makes them NOT A pop band.
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Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

The Doors were a pop band.


A psychedelic pop band. I'm still not sure how they are proto-prog!

Also psychedelic rock. They can be considered proto-prog for their long epic, theatrical songs, they could easily go beyond the structure of a pop/rock song, they could easily jam and so on. 
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Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

The Doors were a pop band.


A psychedelic pop band. I'm still not sure how they are proto-prog!

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The Jackson Five were also a pop band Wink
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The Doors were a pop band.
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Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

The Doors aren't in Psychadelic/Space Rock they are in Proto Prog.

I must admit, I'd never thought of The Doors as a Proto Prog band - at least not until I arrived here at ProgArchives. Tongue
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The Doors aren't in Psychadelic/Space Rock they are in Proto Prog.
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I also believe Psychedelic/Space Rock should be divided into two separate genres. After all, The Doors aren't Space Rock and Hawkwind aren't Psychedelic Rock, although their light shows can be quite psychedelic at times - keeping in tune with the Spirit of the Age. Smile



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I agree that RPI, krautrock and neo-prog descriptors don't make much sense.

RPI bands are mostly sypmhonic prog (Area as one of exceptions is more jazzy and eclectic).

Krautrock is psych/space rock from Germany.

Neo-prog is mostly symphonic and crossover prog.

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^ metal doesn't need to shred. It just needs to be heavy. You seem to have your own definition of metal.

Magic Pie is more metal than some bands listed as such here like Riverside for example.

I'd probably vote eclectic overall though because it's a roller coaster ride of ideas which is why i love them.



Edited by siLLy puPPy - August 16 2023 at 22:17

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Yes and IMO It's not metal. Kim Stenberg's guitar playing is shreddy but it doesn't really make the music heavy enough to consider it metal.


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Originally posted by Hrychu Hrychu wrote:

Quote Magic Pie should be progressive metal
Are you kidding me? Magic Pie is not even close to being soft metal. It's 100% symphonic/neo or maybe eclectic prog. It's anything BUT metal. I would personally stick to the Symphonic label, as it is classified right now, because of the band's retro sound.


No not kidding but now that you mention it eclectic actually would be better.

All 5 Magic Pie albums have tons of progressive metal in them but the music shifts from various symphonic and neo-prog moods to crazy avant-prog moments before bursting into extremely confident progressive metal.

Have you really listened to the albums? I just listened to all of them several times in recent weeks and the METAL is absolutely ferocious. They are on metal sites and even RYM has progressive metal for all five albums as one of the tags.

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Quote Magic Pie should be progressive metal
Are you kidding me? Magic Pie is not even close to being soft metal. It's 100% symphonic/neo or maybe eclectic prog. It's anything BUT metal. I would personally stick to the Symphonic label, as it is classified right now, because of the band's retro sound.


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^ i kinda agree with you. Genesis really was different than the virtuoso wizardry of true symphonic prog bands. I would call them the first neo-prog band as well. Tull is prog folk. Bare bones albums like Songs From The Wood reveal their true underpinnings.

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Can end up going down all sorts of rabbit holes with this I suspect.

ELP, Yes and Genesis are all tagged 'Symphonic' yet they are all different. ELP could easily be in eclectic and Genesis in Neo. I realise that may seem very strange but Genesis evolved the song format rather than being a pure symphonic classical based band imo and that it was what Neo is to me. Yes at their best were much more classical than Genesis (the Wakeman/Howe axis made that happen) and so would still be Symphonic as they stand and ELP were all over the place so could be in eclectic.
I would keep Tull in folk prog for want of anything better (don't understand 'eclectic' for them at all) and keep Floyd in Psychedelic but would put King Crimson in Experimental/Post Metal personally. Some of this is a bit 'after the fact' but isn't that what we are talking about?
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Originally posted by progaardvark progaardvark wrote:

There is a Band Move Policy on the forums here:

Perhaps the genre teams could use this thread to consider possible re-evaluations in the near future? I think all of us on the teams are primarily invested in new band suggestions and have time constraints. Nonetheless, this might be a worthwhile pursuit. Bands evolve, as does our insights into what is or is not prog.

Ideally a better database where multiple subgenres could be applied to bands would be wise, but alas, PA's owner is, for all intents and purposes, absent from the helm. Until that changes, we are stuck with what we have.

I think the BIG PROBLEM is that so many bands change and evolve. Look a ULVER or MOTORPSYCHO or ZAPPA. Or Santana's brief foray into J-R Fusion or Johnny Mac and Jan Akkerman's forays into classical et al. or Gleb Kolyadin's New Age and classical albums.

J Tull had some Prog Folky albums but I've always thought them first as a blues-rock band.


My point is: (as has been discussed many times before) that bands are stuck with one assignation when, in fact, they may have several versions of themselves presented to the world on an album-by-album basis.



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^I guess if it's whimsy tech/extreme metal it could be labeled Canterbury.
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^ But okay, I suppose now you were also talking about "Tech/Extreme Prog Metal". 








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Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

Likewise it would be helpful if prog metal would be broken down into its metal genre constituents
Progressive Death Metal
Progressive Black Metal
Progressive Metalcore
Progressive Alternative Metal
Progressive Experimental Metal
Progressive Doom Metal
Progressive Symphonic Metal etc

Disregarding the practical aspect of this, I think of Prog Metal more like a separate genre different from all these mentioned even there's maybe quite a lot of overlap.
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Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:


As far as FANTOMAS, come on Ian! It's METAL! Avant is very much an experimental genre but we have an entire experimental metal section which is for avant-metal bands. In fact Fantomas is a mix of avant-metal, experimental rock, dark ambient, alternative metal and sludge metal. That's METAL !..! Even has drummer dude from Slayer :D


I'd be fine with Fantomas in Experimental Metal, they are a few Avant Metal bands that seem to be in the Avant genre rather than the Experimental Metal genre. It's not a big deal to me, I think they sit fine in either. Avant tends to be one of the dumping grounds for bands that don't fit elsewhere, similar to Eclectic.



WHYYYYYYYY? Why in the world would any primarily metal band be in avant / RIO when we have THREE metal categories on this site? Confused

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