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    Posted: March 06 2025 at 11:00
Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

Neal Morse has been writing the same album for years, does that make them bad albums?

It's not the same album really. He has developed a particular style (and of course a quite narrow range of topics), sure, but there are noticeable differences between the albums and they're on a really high level musically. Having said that, it's not for everybody of course. 


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Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

A few years ago, I wrote a three star review for an album. The artist who made the album contacted me and tried to persuade me to remove the review because it was three stars, and most all other reviewers gave it five stars. I did not remove the review and I noticed several hateful comments about my review on the artists Facebook page.

Have any other reviewers had this happen to them?

this happened to me three times during the early years of the site. 

One member of the Flying Luttenbachers was fairly insulting, implying I didn't understand the music, to which I agreed with him and admitted so in my reviews The stop his vehemence (he wouldn't let up), I menaced him to borrow more FL albums from the library and review them. He dropped the matter quickly.


The leader of Hamster Theatre was much nicer, sayioing that it was too bad I didn't like accordian, so he didn't insist and said goodbye gently.

The worst was Me Dale Hauskins , who was angry at my Flame Dream reviews He played on two albums as a guest (not fll member) and he was busy trying to promote those albums beyond reasonable  reasons. The dude was also an arsehole on Prog Ears.


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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

At least Tool were pushing metal into some interesting areas. I suppose it's slightly ironic then that Danny Carey is part of that band playing 80's KC with Steve Vai, Adrian Belew and Tony Levin.

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My thoughts were, are, that for all the talent they supposedly have .... it's all a rehash of things that have already been done. I would have expected some new stuff by them, and instead? I don't think I would spend a nickel here, for the invisible talent ... that supposedly shows by redoing KC ... not buying that for a minute!
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At least Tool were pushing metal into some interesting areas. I suppose it's slightly ironic then that Danny Carey is part of that band playing 80's KC with Steve Vai, Adrian Belew and Tony Levin.
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Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

^My ears never liked Tool.

Same. I bought Lateralus just to hang the picture discs on my record room wall
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^My ears never liked Tool.
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Originally posted by Rexorcist Rexorcist wrote:

[QUOTE=Grumpyprogfan]^^When you state "Beat" is the same album as "Discipline" and you hate it, and there is nothing about it you like, that in my world is a "review".

Neal Morse has been writing the same album for years, does that make them bad albums?

 
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I checked his discography and he (Morse) has been churning out albums like a running faucet.
No time to re-group and get over the last albums sounds and ideas? Always Forging ahead...

I suppose it's easy to fall into comfortable sameness without a long break from one's own music. 
I think that's a bit like the way ToaPP, Beat, and Discipline drained the Discipline/KC Idea bucket, and so RF called it quits for a bit to re-invent KC once again.  It's all great music but sameness is not good.  Sometimes I feel that even Steven Wilson is stuck in a rut, but he often surprises.  TOOL also has been making the same record over and over to my ears.


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I like to think of ToaPP, Beat, Disciplne as a three record set. lol. Fripp should make a cool box to slide the three into.

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Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

^^When you state "Beat" is the same album as "Discipline" and you hate it, and there is nothing about it you like, that in my world is a "review".

Neal Morse has been writing the same album for years, does that make them bad albums?

Lack of originality can potentially make them worse over time, meaning only a select few artists have the balls to branch out and grow these days (Hi, Luke Bryan, meet ZACH BRYAN).  But some artists still make them enjoyable.  What matters is if you can still deliver new ideas within your limited genre constraints.  I don't find myself excited for any new Neal Morse albums, but I never consider the idea that they'll be bad at all.  In fact, I even found the much later Sola Scriptura to be better than ? or One or Testimony for light expansion into metal territories without betraying the general Neal Morse sound, doing more in its 75 minutes than ? did in an hour.  Probably the best Christian rock album I've ever heard.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Grumpyprogfan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 04 2025 at 07:44
^^When you state "Beat" is the same album as "Discipline" and you hate it, and there is nothing about it you like, that in my world is a "review".

Neal Morse has been writing the same album for years, does that make them bad albums?

Edited by Grumpyprogfan - March 04 2025 at 07:53
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^ Just mentioned them rather than critiqued them in your video, or very minimal assessment...? By the way, are you seeing the script in your posts? It can be hard to read and suggest you disable the forum's WYSIWYG post editor in your control panel settings. See HERE (click)

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Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

Originally posted by miamiscot miamiscot wrote:

I only review albums I love and score a 7.5/10 or higher.
Really?? How about your show 'The Ten Worst Prog Albums Ever' with four additional guests. Y'all slam Yes "Union" and KC "Beat". I like those albums.
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Touche!!! In my defense, I did not "review" those albums...
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Originally posted by Hrychu Hrychu wrote:

Originally posted by Valdez Valdez wrote:

I enjoy Miamisciots shows on YouTube . If you are the same guy? Great energy, good presence in front of the camera!
Yes. Miamiscot is Scot from Prog Corner.


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Originally posted by Valdez Valdez wrote:

I enjoy Miamisciots shows on YouTube . If you are the same guy? Great energy, good presence in front of the camera!
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Originally posted by miamiscot miamiscot wrote:

I only review albums I love and score a 7.5/10 or higher.
Really?? How about your show 'The Ten Worst Prog Albums Ever' with four additional guests. Y'all slam Yes "Union" and KC "Beat". I like those albums.

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Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Originally posted by Valdez Valdez wrote:

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This is well thought out. I am not very good at writing (reviews or otherwise) I can see you are pretty intelligent about the process and have experience with it.  Level Logical heads are a rarity these days.  
Hi,

I only have one concern, and that is that we have a tendency in this commercial world to think that something that can be understood and experienced, is valuable. And, there are many directors, and musicians, that do not live by that style at all, and tend to find different things as they go along ... and sometimes, it becomes a suggestion that a free forming writer, film maker, musician can not experience this at all ... like they themselves do not have a "level logical head" for the work they do. Brian Eno can speak of that for days!

This is often seen, very easily in folks that paint, that today did this part in blue, and tomorrow they will change it to something else ... as if there was any "sense" for it having happened, and sometimes there isn't ... and I have this idea that we're trying to close that door. If we do, over 50 years of the arts from Europe in the 20th century will die over night ... because it was not thought out, and I always had a great laugh when Salvador Dali, whom my father knew and met, used to say if he knew what he was going to do, he would not have done it ... it had to have that element of surprise ... and I think that was one of the best parts of what film became ... even better than literature, in its evocative style and colors and such. You can't say, and neither does Werner Herzog, how he chose that music or the color that went with it ... the same for Storaro in coloring so many of Bertolucci's films ... it just is ... and their work stands out because of it, not because it was thought that the color this or that would help bring out some kind of idea or other ... many times, it is not about what it brings out ... some folks just like the juxtaposition and how it looks.

In a workshop with Daevid Allen, he made it clear that the most important part of improvising (he did it a lot with his glissando school) was to not be thinking of anything and let the hands just do their thing ... and while some of us will think this is way too zen, in the end, it expresses a new way of doing something or other, and the same thing abou meditation ... it is all about "turning off the internal dialogue" in order to get to the next step and experience.

And the suggestion that a review can not have that feeling, is scary for me ... I have never really thought of how to write a review ... I merely tried to find, many times, the right set of words to express what I felt ... and that is not about "thinking" or defining what, and how, I do what I do ... it is what it is, and something I learned through improvisation with many actors way back when and will be in my book on it ... and I find that, in the end, some folks are afraid of it, in the end ... what if I get the chord wrong kind of thing ... it doesn't matter as you learn to find and see new moments in time that can not exactly be thought of ahead of time.

I'm not sure I follow you...
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Originally posted by Valdez Valdez wrote:

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This is well thought out. I am not very good at writing (reviews or otherwise) I can see you are pretty intelligent about the process and have experience with it.  Level Logical heads are a rarity these days.  
Hi,

I only have one concern, and that is that we have a tendency in this commercial world to think that something that can be understood and experienced, is valuable. And, there are many directors, and musicians, that do not live by that style at all, and tend to find different things as they go along ... and sometimes, it becomes a suggestion that a free forming writer, film maker, musician can not experience this at all ... like they themselves do not have a "level logical head" for the work they do. Brian Eno can speak of that for days!

This is often seen, very easily in folks that paint, that today did this part in blue, and tomorrow they will change it to something else ... as if there was any "sense" for it having happened, and sometimes there isn't ... and I have this idea that we're trying to close that door. If we do, over 50 years of the arts from Europe in the 20th century will die over night ... because it was not thought out, and I always had a great laugh when Salvador Dali, whom my father knew and met, used to say if he knew what he was going to do, he would not have done it ... it had to have that element of surprise ... and I think that was one of the best parts of what film became ... even better than literature, in its evocative style and colors and such. You can't say, and neither does Werner Herzog, how he chose that music or the color that went with it ... the same for Storaro in coloring so many of Bertolucci's films ... it just is ... and their work stands out because of it, not because it was thought that the color this or that would help bring out some kind of idea or other ... many times, it is not about what it brings out ... some folks just like the juxtaposition and how it looks.

In a workshop with Daevid Allen, he made it clear that the most important part of improvising (he did it a lot with his glissando school) was to not be thinking of anything and let the hands just do their thing ... and while some of us will think this is way too zen, in the end, it expresses a new way of doing something or other, and the same thing abou meditation ... it is all about "turning off the internal dialogue" in order to get to the next step and experience.

And the suggestion that a review can not have that feeling, is scary for me ... I have never really thought of how to write a review ... I merely tried to find, many times, the right set of words to express what I felt ... and that is not about "thinking" or defining what, and how, I do what I do ... it is what it is, and something I learned through improvisation with many actors way back when and will be in my book on it ... and I find that, in the end, some folks are afraid of it, in the end ... what if I get the chord wrong kind of thing ... it doesn't matter as you learn to find and see new moments in time that can not exactly be thought of ahead of time.


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Originally posted by Rexorcist Rexorcist wrote:

Originally posted by Valdez Valdez wrote:

I think the Number one goal of most music is to be entertaining , Right?

What other goals would a band work to achieve ?   Storytelling? Virtuosity?

Any others?




It requires some research.  For example, IQ's Subterranea is supposed to be an intriguing adventure of an experiment who's let loose and tries to get revenge on his captors while being a more ambitious album with more playing with genre an an extended runtime and more melodic focus, while fleshing out the band's sound.  There are several goals here.

Does it meet its goal?  Fairly.  The story's pretty predictable and a little tropy when you take Mindcrime into account, and the genres are recycled.  The sound is easily fleshed out, though.

What did it sacrifice or neglect?  Really, it's the runtime that's the biggest issue.  The 20-minute epic that ends this album pales in comparison to the one that starts their debut.

Are the major flaws made up for?  The melodies stay fine, the lyrics are pretty poetic and the sound is fleshed out perfectly.  So about an 85/100.

This is well thought out. I am not very good at writing (reviews or otherwise) I can see you are pretty intelligent about the process and have experience with it.  Level Logical heads are a rarity these days.  
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