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    Posted: June 10 2016 at 07:49
That the full title of this thread should read:

Europeans' Opinions on UK's EU Membership Referendum

...but that was too many characters for a thread title

Please note that there is a Brexit¹ poll for UK people to rant about whether to Remain or Leave and frankly, I couldn't care less about the knee-jerk thoughts of people who are actually entitled to vote in this referendum. If I wanted to join that debate I would have back in March - I didn't then and I don't now. That is not the purpose of this thread, there is sufficient debate (happening on Facebook and elsewhere) from both sides in the UK that has thrown up so many half-truths, idle speculation, unsubstantiated guessing and outright fibs if I hear another I'll probably puke. 

So, I would like to hear the thoughts of the European members of this site about whether the UK should remain in the EU or whether it should go. 

Of course that will no doubt involve your personal thoughts on the EU in general and whether your own country should remain or leave if it is itself an EU member, or join or not if it currently isn't. However, that is not the question I am asking. I'm not that interested in whether you personally think the EU is a good thing or the worst idea in the history of the world. A country leaving the EU is unprecedented and has never happened before and it is not without consequences and repercussions. Here are a few of the questions that are running around in my head over this...
  1. Do you care one way or the other? (an honest question)
  2. Do you think the UK leaving or staying affects Europe at all?
  3. Would you be glad to see the back of us? (another honest question, we're not the most liked nation within the British Isles, let alone in Europe)
  4. Is a united Europe possible without UK membership?
  5. Would the UK leaving cause other countries to follow?
  6. Is the stability of Europe at risk if the EU collapses?
  7. Will the "rise of the right" increase or decrease if the UK leaves?
  8. Do you regard the British Isles as being part of Europe?
  9. Are the British even Europeans?
  10. If Britain closed its borders to migrants would that affect your country at all?
  11. Would the security of your country be affected without the support of the UK?
  12. Would you continue to give us null-points in the Eurovision Song contest while still filling your pop charts with UK artistes?
  13. Would you finally stop buying goddam Coldplay albums?
  14. Do you like UK money adding to EU funds? (like France and Germany the UK puts in more than it takes out)
  15. What happens when the EU loses the 3rd largest contributor to its total budget?
  16. Will your country have to pay in more (or take out less)?
  17. Do you think the EU should negotiate trade deals with the UK if it turns its back on Europe?
  18. Do you think the EU (or France and Germany) would punish the UK for quitting?
  19. What do you think will happen in Europe if the 5th largest economy in the world goes into recession as a result of it leaving the EU? (UK goods will be come cheaper for you to buy but your goods will become more expensive to sell in the UK...)
  20. If as a result of UK leaving Scotland gains independence would you welcome them into the EU (bearing in mind that their economy isn't that much different to Eire's)
So... as you've read this far my European friends, what are your thoughts?

[Non-Europeans can chime-in if they wish but really that's a whole different topic]

¹Personally I object to the use of "Brexit" in that poll's title as this referendum is not called The Britain Exit of the EU Referendum anymore than it is called the Britain Remain in the EU Referendum. Brexit is merely the name given to those campaigning to leave the EU.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 10 2016 at 08:44
Answer to #13:  One can dream. 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 10 2016 at 10:49
I hope you make the right decision and get out before the EU completely collapses, and I hope that that will speed up the process for the rest of us. Beer

Also, I wouldn't mind a bit or in fact a lot of recession for the whole Europe, since what's bad for the economy is generally good for the world as a whole. Party
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 10 2016 at 11:01
Originally posted by Vompatti Vompatti wrote:

I hope you make the right decision and get out before the EU completely collapses, and I hope that that will speed up the process for the rest of us. Beer

My thoughts as well. A Brexit is to prefer above a Bremain and I hope that the Netherlands and 26 other countries will follow soon after.

Answer to #4: A united Europe is not possible at all. Not as a superstate anyway. Throughout history peoples always wanted to govern their own affairs.
Answer to #6: The greatest risk for Europe's stability may be an EU that dose not collapse.
Answer to #18: They may try to do so. Don't expect Junck and his gang to applaud.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 10 2016 at 13:31
I'm not European. 

But what the hell now that I'm 'Murican I can meddle into the problems of any part of the globe and bring you some freedom if you complain... Tongue

  1. Yes. My sister lives in Europe and is European 
  2. Yes. 
  3. I'm not sure about being glad of seeing your behind... Stern Smile
  4. Yes I guess it is
  5. Absolutely. Maybe the UK itself will eventually break apart
  6. People have become more civilized but people are still people. The Union has never been political anyway. I don't think so. Same risks as before. 
  7. Same I guess from this side of the Trump Ocean
  8. As a non-European of course I do 
  9. They are just more-civilized-but-somehow-still-clinging-to-monarchies Americans really.. 
  10. TRUMP 2016!! 
  11. TRUMP 2016!!
  12. You no longer fill American charts with your sorry ass pop exploits. Now there's even worse sh*t coming from within the US
  13. I think Mylo Xyloto was very enjoyable. 
  14. No comment. 
  15. Crisis. Who's going to give money to Greece now? 
  16. Trump will have Mexico pay for you guys too. 
  17. Of course it should. 
  18. No. They can't. 
  19. You'll have some idiotic populist right-winger trying to capitalize on it. 
  20. They play like a different nation in world cups and Euros anyway... 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 11 2016 at 02:22
What is this "Europe" you speak of?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 17 2016 at 06:16
I want us to remain in Europe, for many, many reasons.  The debate has got venomous here and I am of the opinion that there should not be a referendum.  The hatred appeared to overspill yesterday with the tragic murder of Jo Cox - and it has got to stop.  I am still in shock.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 17 2016 at 07:19
I seriously question whether I, or any civilian for that matter, have enough information to actually care one way or the other. The EU climate in Europe, and Denmark, is plagued with far too much unnecessary sh*te that it becomes increasingly difficult to take a stance one way or the other.
I am a firm believer of nations working together, but I fear that the actual glue that EU binds us all together with sadly amounts to the foulest of bureaucracies. Things that took a week to decide in the old days now take years.

As a fan of music, art and litterature one could hope for a European meltdown. History has time and again proven that adversity spawns greatness in those aforementioned areas

As for Britain leaving the EU? Maybe it's a healthy thing, I'm not sure, but at the very least it'll lead to a much needed debate in other countries, where we hopefully could address some of the more fundamental reasons for politically driven collaborations between nations.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 22 2016 at 02:16
After having discussed this matter further with my good friend Davy (UK citizen) I have come to the conclusion that I'd prefer Britain to remain in the EU. For all it's flaws and infinite amount of red tape, EU still stands for something more (whatever that may be), and I fear the consequences of leaving far outweigh the negatives of staying.
Also: I am rather partial to Scotsmen - especially when they bring the drink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 22 2016 at 03:21
The full list of answers that fit my humble opinion best:
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#01: Yes.
#02: Yes, for a while.
#03: I don't care. I don't have a particular dislike against the British anyway.
#04: A united Europe is not possible at all. Not as a superstate anyway. Throughout history peoples always wanted to govern their own affairs.
#05: I hope so.
#06: The greatest risk for Europe's stability may be an EU that does not collapse (see my answer to #04).
#07: I don't know. It will stimulate nationalist and populist movements, I think.
#08: Yes, and also the Faroer Islands and Iceland.
#09: Yes, both etnical and cultural.
#10: There will be some more migrants heading for other European countries including the Netherlands, I think.
#11: Possibly.
#12: I don't give points to the Eurovision Song Contest at all. This event has survived itself for at least forty years and, just like the EU, grown out of its bounds.
#13: I don't own any Coldplay abums at all.
#14: I don't care.
#15: Germany, the Netherlands, Austria and Finland will pay for it (unless they choose wisdom and leave the sinking ship).
#16: See #15.
#17: Yes. Trade deals should be possible without the UK being part of a superstate.
#18: They may try to do so. Don't expect Junck and his gang to applaud.
#19: I think it will recover sooner or later.
#20: An independent Scotland becoming part of the EU is no longer independent. If Scotland chooses for independency and then joins the EU, their independence has become void.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 22 2016 at 06:40
Good luck to our British members on your referendum tomorrow.  Best wishes whichever way the vote turns out.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 22 2016 at 07:27
as a non-Eu member, but European , we still follow lot of the EU laws and regulations ass part of EEF (ETA?)

SO even if we are not in EU we sort of is, accidentaly
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 22 2016 at 09:01
If UKIP wins, You keep that sh*t. Tongue

We already have our own... Unhappy
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 22 2016 at 10:56
Originally posted by Icarium Icarium wrote:

as a non-Eu member, but European , we still follow lot of the EU laws and regulations ass part of EEF (ETA?)

SO even if we are not in EU we sort of is, accidentaly
Understandably the "Norway Option" has received a fair bit of press coverage over here. It seems that you pay around £100 per person a year to not be a member, which coincidentally is pretty much what each Brit pays to be a fully-paid up member. Of course the real maths wouldn't work out quite like for many reasons too boring to go into.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 22 2016 at 11:02
A case of "taxation without representation" if there has ever been one.... 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 22 2016 at 11:03
Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

If UKIP wins, You keep that sh*t. Tongue

We already have our own... Unhappy
No kidding there, UKIP and the Tea Party are equally nasty. Now, if only we could ship Nigel out to Alaska....
 
What you also have is a "Boris":
...and since our Boris was born in New York you're welcome to him too.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 22 2016 at 11:05
Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

A case of "taxation without representation" if there has ever been one.... 
...technically there wasn't before Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 22 2016 at 12:05
Oh don't bring Tea Parties here... I'm no Tea party fan. Damn, I don't even like T parties too much... Tongue
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 22 2016 at 12:06
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

If UKIP wins, You keep that sh*t. Tongue

We already have our own... Unhappy
No kidding there, UKIP and the Tea Party are equally nasty. Now, if only we could ship Nigel out to Alaska....
 
What you also have is a "Boris":
...and since our Boris was born in New York you're welcome to him too.
I have become more familiar with that sorry character recently with all this Brexit talk, but even at its worst (and hell, that photograph...) I'm sure he can't out-Trump Trump. 
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