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    Posted: October 10 2007 at 11:02
well, I love how prog combian classical music inside of him, but I dont know so many classic music good stuff...

I mean I only know peter ilyich tchaikovsky's nutcracker", and a little bit from the "swan lake"...


I loved some mozart and bach songs, but it was quite long time ago...

so if some1 know about good classic music for me, that I will know more about where prog take his classical influnces...

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Four Seasons by Vivaldi. Peer Gynt by Grieg.
 
 
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Seems to me there's more exciting baroque music around than Vivaldi's FOUR SEASONS. Try these:

- Corelli's CONCERTI GROSSI performed by Trevor Pinnock and the English Concert. (Two CDs available at a reduced price.)

- Handel's CONCERTI GROSSI op. 3 performed by Richard Egarr and the Academy of Ancient Music.

- Rameau's suites performed by either Frans Bruggen (Dutch) or William Christie (French/American) and their period-instrument orchestras.

You just won't find more gloriously melancholic baroque music ANYWHERE! (Unless you look for vocal music, of course.) And there are lots of similarities with symphonic prog.

If you're a keyboard freak, try J.S. Bach, preferably played on harpsichord. The Goldberg Variations, the French and English Suites and the (4 CD) Well-Tempered Clavier are all great. (There's also a wonderful recording of the English Suites played on piano by Murray Perahia.)

What else?

Mozart's piano concertos, Berlioz' "Fantastic Symphony" and Schumann's solo piano music might all appeal to prog freaks.

If you're into King Crimson or Henry Cow, you'll probably enjoy Stravinsky and Bartok.

If you like ambient music, try Toru Takemitsu's DREAM/WINDOW, TREE LINE and IN AN AUTUMN GARDEN...
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I am not an expert in classical music, but I've heard my fair share of it, and even been to a few concerts in my lifetime. Personal favourites of mine would be Rimsky-Korsakov's "Scheherazade", Mussorgsky's "Night on Bald Mountain" and "Pictures of an Exhibition", Stravinsky's "Rite of Spring" (saw it performed live - it was HEAVY, man!), Grieg's "Peer Gynt", assorted pieces by Sibelius... All music that has influenced prog to some degree or the other, and has often been cited in prog compositions.
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Originally posted by fuxi fuxi wrote:

Seems to me there's more exciting baroque music around than Vivaldi's FOUR SEASONS. Try these:

- Corelli's CONCERTI GROSSI performed by Trevor Pinnock and the English Concert. (Two CDs available at a reduced price.)

- Handel's CONCERTI GROSSI op. 3 performed by Richard Egarr and the Academy of Ancient Music.

- Rameau's suites performed by either Frans Bruggen (Dutch) or William Christie (French/American) and their period-instrument orchestras.

You just won't find more gloriously melancholic baroque music ANYWHERE! (Unless you look for vocal music, of course.) And there are lots of similarities with symphonic prog.

If you're a keyboard freak, try J.S. Bach, preferably played on harpsichord. The Goldberg Variations, the French and English Suites and the (4 CD) Well-Tempered Clavier are all great. (There's also a wonderful recording of the English Suites played on piano by Murray Perahia.)

What else?

Mozart's piano concertos, Berlioz' "Fantastic Symphony" and Schumann's solo piano music might all appeal to prog freaks.

If you're into King Crimson or Henry Cow, you'll probably enjoy Stravinsky and Bartok.

If you like ambient music, try Toru Takemitsu's DREAM/WINDOW, TREE LINE and IN AN AUTUMN GARDEN...


well thanks very much!!! I live the barock very much...


but I cant download this stuff!!! so how can I hear them?!?!? big problem
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A propos The Goldberg Variations -- as the thread starter likes VdGG, he might be interested in Hugh Banton's album The Goldberg Variations, where Banton plays it on the organ he's built by himself (if I'm not mistaken).
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Holst - The Planets.  Both KC and Emerson Lake and Powell borrowed from this.

I've always enjoyed the 1812 Overture by Tchaikovsky, but that is probably because it was the theme music to the original Bad News Bears movies.
 
I have heard that Prokofiev has some pretty "rockin'" classical tunes, but I am not too familiar with him.
 
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Originally posted by proger proger wrote:

but I cant download this stuff!!! so how can I hear them?!?!? big problem


If you live in Israel, I guess you could order the CDs through Amazon.com or Amazon.co.uk: they send CDs all over the world. Some classical labels (e.g. CHANDOS) have websites where you CAN download their music.
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Personally, my favourite classical is from the romantic period, although my favourite composer is Ludwig Van Beethoven, so i would recommend Frederic Chopin and Franz Liszt, especially if you're a piano freak like me. other favourites of mine are Mussorgsky's "Pictures at an Exhibition", Holst's "Planets", Orff's "Carmina Burana". But in my opinion you'll be hard pressed to find bad classical music, those are just some of the best in my opinion.
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Originally posted by fuxi fuxi wrote:

If you're into King Crimson or Henry Cow, you'll probably enjoy Stravinsky and Bartok.

If you like ambient music, try Toru Takemitsu's DREAM/WINDOW, TREE LINE and IN AN AUTUMN GARDEN...
 
Checking out the liner notes of  the first two East Of Eden albums last night and noted one tune was annotated: "Based on a Bartok string quartet". I've heard the connection between Bartok and KC made a number of times. So my question: with which Bartok String Quartet should I start?
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Originally posted by Ghost Rider Ghost Rider wrote:

................Stravinsky's "Rite of Spring" (saw it performed live - it was HEAVY, man!), ..................
 
Perhaps the most complex piece of music ever written.  And Igor was a "prog thinker". Anybody who would say, "My music is best listened to be children and small animals" is my kind of madman.
 
Originally posted by rushfan4 rushfan4 wrote:

Holst - The Planets.  ....

I have heard that Prokofiev has some pretty "rockin'" classical tunes, but I am not too familiar with him.
 
 
The Planets is the foundation for the career of famed movie music writer John Williams. Especially, Mars Bringer of War, Saturn the Bringer of  Old Age, and Uranus the Magician (the juvenile in me always giggles a bit when I say that). And yes, Mars is borrowed frequently in prog.
 
Prokofiev is most famous for Peter and the Wolf.
 
Great picks guys.
 
Other good stuff for the prog fan...
 
Bela Bartok - Think somebody mentioned him already.
Alberto Ginestera - Argentina born contemporary composer.
Ravel - Most famous for "Bolero", had some huge sounding piece as well.
Richard Strauss - Thus Spake Zarathustra is overplayed, but he has a lot of other heavy orchestral to offer.

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Plenty of good suggestions here.  No one's mentioned Debussy though.  Any of his more famous material is excellent progressive classical.
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Originally posted by glass house glass house wrote:

Four Seasons by Vivaldi. Peer Gynt by Grieg.
 
 
 
Agree.
Bach's Organ&Harpsichord works are also great (of what i've heard)
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I love also symphonys lihe "merkury" symphony by hyden.
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1. Messiaen's "Turangaglia Symphonie"

2. Rakhmaninov's Piano Concerti
 
3. Dvorak's Cello Concerto
 
4. Penderecki's "Threnody to the Victims of Hiroshima"
 
5. Vivaldi's "Gloria" (possibly the most perfect piece of choral music ever written, after the completed sections of Mozart's "Requiem").
 
 
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Originally posted by proger proger wrote:

I love also symphonys lihe "merkury" symphony by hyden.
(sorrey about the mistakes...)


Symphonies like "Mercury" by Haydn? Wink
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Originally posted by Ghost Rider Ghost Rider wrote:

I am not an expert in classical music, but I've heard my fair share of it, and even been to a few concerts in my lifetime. Personal favourites of mine would be Rimsky-Korsakov's "Scheherazade", Mussorgsky's "Night on Bald Mountain" and "Pictures of an Exhibition", Stravinsky's "Rite of Spring" (saw it performed live - it was HEAVY, man!), Grieg's "Peer Gynt", assorted pieces by Sibelius... All music that has influenced prog to some degree or the other, and has often been cited in prog compositions.


When it comes to progressive rock I think those Russian composers listed above are a good way to go (Grieg is Norwegian and Seibelius is Finnish, but they fit well with the Russians) You might want to try some French music also Ravel, Satie, Debussy, Poulenc and later Stravinsky (yeah he became French, go figure).

I think I should add that the Russian composers are all about power and strong melodies while the French are a bit more laid back and subtle.

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There's plenty of good classical music... where should I start from? I'll try to suggest something:
- Renaissance Polyphony is amazing: Palestrina and Despres are my favourite ones.
- Monteverdi's "Magnificat" and "Arianna's Lament"
- Baroque classical music is astounding: Vivaldi (besides his Four Seasons, try some religious music, like for instance the impressive "Nullo Mundo Pax Sincera"), Marcello, Corelli, Pachelbel (his canon is one of the most moving pieces in classical music), Purcell (his "Ode on St. Cecilia's Day" is simply wonderful)
- Bach is something completely different, my favourite one. Just listen how he could turn mathematics into trascendental music in his "Organ Variations on the Choral Von Himmel Hoch Da Komm'Ich Her"; I also go crazy for his "Goldberg Variations" (any version goes)
- Honestly, and there's no reason why, I'm not so fond of piano. But Ravel's piano concertos are really fundamental
- Stravinskij is a genius. Not only for the "Firebird" and the "Sacre du Printemps"; his "Les Noces" (I don't know if in English they are translated as "The Wedding") are really worth the while
- Contemporary classic is challenging, but also extremely rewarding. Try with Ligeti's "Lux Aeterna", Nono's "Il Canto Sospeso" and Stockhausen's "Kontakte".
 
 
...ok, let me add Mozart's "Zauberflote"


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Bach's Magnificat. Haendel's Messiah. Mozart's Requiem. These are my top 3 of classic music. Check 'em! Tongue
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