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In Germany "Holland" is used a lot too, even more than "The Netherlands". There was a well-known series of tv-ads for a certain cheese in the 70s and 80s which had the slogan "Frau Antje bringt Käse aus Holland" ("Miss Antje brings cheese from Holland").


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^And Dutch means German.
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Deutsch means German, not Dutch.

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Originally posted by refugee refugee wrote:

Deutsch means German, not Dutch.

Rooting for Denmark today.

Dutch was the word given for Western German speakers. I know obviously that Deutsch is German. God.


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You mean that Dutch is also a German word? It’s not in my dictionary, but you may be right, of course.
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It's from Middle Dutch and the word was Duutsch
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The word Dutch comes from the proto-Germanic word *þiudiskaz, and became Duutsc in Middle Dutch, which later gave the two early modern Dutch forms, Duits in the County of Holland and the Duchy of Brabant, and Diets in the County of Flanders.[11] Duits has taken on the meaning of "German" and Diets meaning "Dutch" (along with "Nederlands") but no longer in general use (see the Diets article), dropped for its Nazi-era overtones. German Deutsch meaning "German" has the same origin.

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Originally posted by BaldFriede BaldFriede wrote:

In Germany "Holland" is used a lot too, even more than "The Netherlands". There was a well-known series of tv-ads for a certain cheese in the 70s and 80s which had the slogan "Frau Antje bringt Käse aus Holland" ("Miss Antje brings cheese from Holland").
 
I remember Frau Antje indeed. And the most famous Dutch cheese comes from Holland (the western part of the Netherlands. On the image, Holland is colored orange). The name "Antje" is used mostly in Friesland, the leftmost of the two northernmost provinces outside Holland - and in Germany.
 
By the way, as far as I'm informed, refugee's information about the word Dutch is correct.
 
Holland and the Netherlands


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In Norway we say Nederland 
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I want denmark to win. I expect portugal will though.
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Sh*t.
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Originally posted by someone_else someone_else wrote:

Well, I think UMUR is quite right. And though I am not interested in football and charged with a passionate hatred against the cult created around it, I feel more or less tempted to watch the Mannschaft humiliate the tooth- and clawless lion from the country where I come from, which I call Nederlaag* these days in my native language.
 
* Nederlaag is Dutch for defeat. The Dutch name for the Netherlands is Nederland.
^I knew that. Nederlag (with just one a) is Norwegian for defeat.
 
Originally posted by aginor aginor wrote:

In Norway we say Nederland
Or Holland.
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Looks bad for Denmark now.

EDIT: The second goal was nice, though. Excellent pass from Nani.


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This could be an intereeesting match!
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Ah, nice one, Denmark!
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Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by Moogtron III Moogtron III wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

^Interesting that you call your country Holland too. Holland isn't a country but an area of The Netherlands surely?


Yes, that's true.
In Dutch, which I usually speak in both the Netherlands and Belgium, I do call my country "Nederland", never Holland.
But on the internet I suppose I just followed the habit of other people, and it's shorter.
Maybe it would be different if I wasn't from the Holland part in the Netherlands, but I come from Rotterdam in the province of South-Holland.
I suppose it could be a bit different if I was from one of the other provinces like Friesland, Overijssel etc.
I do think it has a different feel than in Great-Britain, if someone would say England when he means the whole of Great-Britain, which I think would offend the Welshmen, the Scots and the Northern-Irish folk.
I have the feeling that a Dutchman would easier say Holland, even if he's not technically from the Holland part of the country.


I'm always trying to dissuade people from calling it Holland but when TV stations and papers call it Holland too, I am definitely on a hiding to nothing.


Thank you for your effort, but I'm afraid we don't do a good job ourselves keeping the two apart. Embarrassed


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Originally posted by someone_else someone_else wrote:

Originally posted by BaldFriede BaldFriede wrote:

In Germany "Holland" is used a lot too, even more than "The Netherlands". There was a well-known series of tv-ads for a certain cheese in the 70s and 80s which had the slogan "Frau Antje bringt Käse aus Holland" ("Miss Antje brings cheese from Holland").
 
I remember Frau Antje indeed. And the most famous Dutch cheese comes from Holland (the western part of the Netherlands. On the image, Holland is colored orange). The name "Antje" is used mostly in Friesland, the leftmost of the two northernmost provinces outside Holland - and in Germany.
 
By the way, as far as I'm informed, refugee's information about the word Dutch is correct.
 
Holland and the Netherlands


Thanks for highlighting the real Holland. WinkSmile
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I also remember the Frau Antje ads. You know what's funny? I had a German pen-pal, from East-Germany (DDR) when that was still a country, and she was called Antje. A real Dutch name for a real German girl.
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Nice game, by the way, Portugal - Denmark.

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Points: 3011 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 13 2012 at 12:16
Yeah but Portugal is deserved in front. Denmark had a hard time creating anything offensive in the first half unless you count the last five minutes.
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Nice of Ronaldo to provide a bit of comedy
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