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mecca 
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 Posted: May 23 2008 at 22:57 |
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Compositionally, I think __ on Limpid Form and Amaranth the Peddler are among the best tracks on Dowsing. |
Please explain one thing if you want: what is the "compositional" success of repeating the same EXACT thing for 14 minutes? There's no development of ideas, no changes of harmony, no changes of notes... actually, it's so literal a repetition that I can't see the "compositional" magic of it... guitar riff, cymbal crash, riff, crash, riff crash... it's, for me, the lowest point in all of prog music, and even more when I see people praising it for "compositional" values... Hell, I know it's just music and everybody's right.... I guess i will die in confusion....
great thing that BLD is so SO much better than 2006's disaster... Hell, even I could understand if it's in for album of the year! Don't compare it with the two worst tracks in the history of music.... |
I don't want to turn this into a heated argument... but I think it's fair to say you haven't given __ on Limpid From that great of a listen, the song isn't at all the same chord repeated over and over again. You may be aware of this but that's drone doom metal, you may just not like the genre, and that's perfectly okay, but your description of the latter end of the song is completely off base.
And to say Amaranth The Peddler is one of their worst songs I have to disagree with as well. The end of Amaranth was written beautifully with incredible amounts of detail. Each note has so much feeling and emotion, whereas in BLD, it songwriting is focused more on pop-esque tendencies with more accessible "hooks" and a greater abundance of vocals. Really, BLD takes less patience, and is easier to appreciate, but I think Dowsing Anemone is 20 times more rewarding to listen to. I listen to every note and they're perfectly placed; BLD seems like Kayo Dot's pop album (and I love pop if it's written nicely), I just believe that Toby is better at writing 20th century classical-inspired pieces.
As with the majority of pop, a lot of the composition-work is based on building up to the catharsis, which is what BLD is essentially. I just think that everything in DAwCT was filled to the brim with emotional release, and BLD has it more scattered about. Rather than picking and choosing the specific notes, it seems to have the desire to simply fill up the space. And some people like there to be a minimum of space, and that's cool, I just thoguht they implemented the space well before to complete the atmosphere.
P.S. I just glanced at your review, you said that Dowsing felt like there was a lot of jamming... I should bring the attention to you that there was absolutely no jamming whatsoever in the album. In fact, BLD has more "jamming", it's more jazz-influenced (listen ot the beginning of the last song, Clelia Walking, Right Hand is the One I Want, etc.). There were few, VERY FEW, improvised sections of Dowsing. The largest part being the horn solo in Aura on the Asylum Wall.
Edited by mecca - May 23 2008 at 23:12
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Posted: May 23 2008 at 21:36 |
well done Teo..  You should be honored.. I can be a bit harsh on the long reviews.. if I am interested enough to sit through all of it... it must be a good one. 
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Posted: May 23 2008 at 21:26 |
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My review of BLD is up. You won't believe it. And you can't say I didn't justify what I'm saying there. It's a little long but The Dot deserved it. |
should be interesting checking it out
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Posted: May 23 2008 at 21:22 |
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My review of BLD is up. You won't believe it. And you can't say I didn't justify what I'm saying there. It's a little long but The Dot deserved it.
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Posted: May 23 2008 at 20:42 |
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__On Limpid Form is still one of my very favorite Kayo Dot songs. The tension is palpable, and the repetition is incredibly intense. The beginning is beautiful, and the way it dissolves and transforms so seamlessly (at least in my eyes)...it's awesome, I think.
I enjoy Amaranth a lot as well, just not as much as __On Limpid Form.
Point of this post was: I love __On Limpid Form.
And T, even if you hate the ending, how can you deny the beauty of the first 5-6 minutes of the song, which contain, in my opinion, some of the best Kayo Dot has to offer by and far.
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Posted: May 23 2008 at 15:58 |
The T wrote:
mecca wrote:
Compositionally, I think __ on Limpid Form and Amaranth the Peddler are among the best tracks on Dowsing. |
Please explain one thing if you want: what is the "compositional" success of repeating the same EXACT thing for 14 minutes? There's no development of ideas, no changes of harmony, no changes of notes... actually, it's so literal a repetition that I can't see the "compositional" magic of it... guitar riff, cymbal crash, riff, crash, riff crash... it's, for me, the lowest point in all of prog music, and even more when I see people praising it for "compositional" values... Hell, I know it's just music and everybody's right.... I guess i will die in confusion....
great thing that BLD is so SO much better than 2006's disaster... Hell, even I could understand if it's in for album of the year! Don't compare it with the two worst tracks in the history of music.... |
I think your taking it a bit far there Teo, but you've essentially hit the nail on the head for whats wrong with OLF, and ATP. Thankfully they are the only two tracks they have recorded thats like that, and I cant see Mr Driver ever doing something like that (or anything wlse on KD album) again. On a brighter note, Symmetrical Arizona is comeing up to be one of my favourit songs from them, just brilliant.
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Posted: May 23 2008 at 15:08 |
mecca wrote:
Compositionally, I think __ on Limpid Form and Amaranth the Peddler are among the best tracks on Dowsing. |
Please explain one thing if you want: what is the "compositional" success of repeating the same EXACT thing for 14 minutes? There's no development of ideas, no changes of harmony, no changes of notes... actually, it's so literal a repetition that I can't see the "compositional" magic of it... guitar riff, cymbal crash, riff, crash, riff crash... it's, for me, the lowest point in all of prog music, and even more when I see people praising it for "compositional" values... Hell, I know it's just music and everybody's right.... I guess i will die in confusion....
great thing that BLD is so SO much better than 2006's disaster... Hell, even I could understand if it's in for album of the year! Don't compare it with the two worst tracks in the history of music....
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Posted: May 23 2008 at 14:34 |
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Compositionally, I think __ on Limpid Form and Amaranth the Peddler are among the best tracks on Dowsing.
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Posted: May 23 2008 at 09:38 |
BLD flows very nicely, it builds song on song to those querky numbers The Sow Submits and The Awkward Windwheel before using The Useless Ladder to bring the album back down for Symmetrical Arizona (proving that the ladder isnt useless  ). Qaulity wise I find it to be also a step above Dowsing Anamone with Copper tongue which had its flow broken badly by the repetative and boring __On Limpid Form and Amaranth the Peddlar. I think BLD will be my album of the year.
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mecca
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Posted: May 23 2008 at 07:38 |
Eh, I don't know. There isn't any other instance in the album that sounds similar to The Awkward Wind Wheel, nor The Sow Submits. The quirkiness of the middle of the album is out of place; it just makes the album feel really disorganized and unbalanced, despite the bookending tracks.
I think that they should have either made the individual tracks more diverse and included the discordant sound of The Awkward Wind Wheel within more of the tracks more often, or just completely left out tracks 4 and 5, because right now, the album feels like a hodgepodge.
Edited by mecca - May 23 2008 at 07:39
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Posted: May 23 2008 at 01:28 |
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Yeah, this album is the most complete whole of any of their albums. Quality-wise, it's the weakest, but it definitely feels like a single piece more than either of their others.
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Posted: May 23 2008 at 01:10 |
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It flows nicely in my view...
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Posted: May 22 2008 at 18:45 |
After listening to it more, Blue Lambency Forward is disappointing compared to Dowsing Anemone. It lacks continuity. It sounds like Toby thought of a couple new ideas, wrote them out all separately and simply made a "collection of songs" rather than a cohesive work. I really wish he could have implemented the RIO influences across the whole record instead of a few spots here and there. Because the new ideas aren't expanded on throughout the album, it makes the entire thing feel choppy and, dare I say, almost lazily constructed.
Hopefully Kayo Dot #4 will be better.
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Posted: May 22 2008 at 18:20 |
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the beauty of Kayo Dot is that each album is essentially a re-invention/re-invision of the band.....no two albums sound identical, which is a curse that probably 90% of bands fall into.....putting out the same album over and over again.....so many bands do it.
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Posted: May 22 2008 at 17:16 |
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Yeah, I think you would like Choirs best, Teo.
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Posted: May 22 2008 at 15:26 |
Have you heard "Choirs of the Eye", T? Just out of curiosity, because it's also radically different than the other two. 
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Posted: May 22 2008 at 15:06 |
Yes.... but I have to give it an extra listen... 3 aren't enough I guess...
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Posted: May 22 2008 at 14:52 |
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Finally....
I'm ready to write the review... The only problem is the rating... I'm so lost...
It will NOT be like last one's rating... for sure....
But how extreme the difference will be I'm confused about.... The thing really left me with my head spinning around... It's not something that I would hear every day.. but I just can't deny the... well... I'll write my review....
The man is a weird genius, over-indulgent, pretensious, egocentric little genius.. but that's usually what makes for really good music... so I'm as confused as I have never been regarding a rating.... |
The question is: do you like it?
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Posted: May 22 2008 at 14:42 |
Finally....
I'm ready to write the review... The only problem is the rating... I'm so lost...
It will NOT be like last one's rating... for sure....
But how extreme the difference will be I'm confused about.... The thing really left me with my head spinning around... It's not something that I would hear every day.. but I just can't deny the... well... I'll write my review....
The man is a weird genius, over-indulgent, pretensious, egocentric little genius.. but that's usually what makes for really good music... so I'm as confused as I have never been regarding a rating....
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