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Phil
Forum Senior Member Joined: June 17 2005 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 1881 |
Posted: August 15 2005 at 09:01 | |
I think it fits the mood of the album but I do think it's the weakest song on it.
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Progger
Forum Senior Member Joined: April 26 2005 Status: Offline Points: 1188 |
Posted: August 15 2005 at 09:06 | |
'More Fool You' for liking this absolute drivel of a song!
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chopper
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: July 13 2005 Location: Essex, UK Status: Offline Points: 19965 |
Posted: August 15 2005 at 09:16 | |
Quite a nice chorus. If they've made a bit more of it and put it on another album it might have almost been good. In the company of such tracks as Moonlight Knight, Firth of Fifth and Cinema Show, it's bound to look second rate.
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Empathy
Forum Senior Member Joined: June 30 2005 Status: Offline Points: 1864 |
Posted: August 15 2005 at 10:40 | |
That song always made me think they threw Collins a bone for that
record. "Hey, I wrote a song... mind if we track it and see what
happens?"
That said, I kinda like it. Not bad for an early songwriting effort. And say what you will about Collins, but he wrote some pretty phenomenally cool stuff before he got to his "Invisible Touch" and "No Jacket Required" phases. |
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Pure Brilliance:
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porter
Forum Senior Member Joined: August 07 2005 Location: Italy Status: Offline Points: 362 |
Posted: August 15 2005 at 11:07 | |
I don't like it because it instantly reminds me of the crap that Mr. Collins was famous for in the 80's, and also because it's a dull one. I't's a stupid song, if it wasn't for a decent guitar work by Hackett in the background, it would go nowhere. And it's also true that it sounds out of place in the flow of the album.
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"my kingdom for a horse!" (W. Shakespeare, "Richard III")
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Lyzarrd
Forum Senior Member Joined: April 18 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 164 |
Posted: August 15 2005 at 12:26 | |
I thought of it as the weakest track on the album for a long time. But,
like all prog, the more I listen to it it, the more things I find I
like about it. There is always that little something that turns you
onto a song at that certain time.
I find it to be a nice break in the album that gives you some time to sit back and relax to something that isn't to overly complicated yet still fits in with the rest of the works. I do like it but it really is a toss up between this and 'After the Ordeal' as weakest track on the album. |
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Can you tell me where my country lies...
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The Minstrel
Forum Senior Member Joined: April 17 2005 Status: Offline Points: 147 |
Posted: August 15 2005 at 13:12 | |
This song is the only one I skip on Selling England by the Pound. It's not that it is terrible, it's just that it ruins the album when I hear it along with great tracks like Firth of Firth and the Battle of Epping Forest. It's no different then if Genesis had just put a 3 minute break of total silence.
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Guillermo
Prog Reviewer Joined: November 28 2004 Location: Mexico Status: Offline Points: 814 |
Posted: August 15 2005 at 13:13 | |
In 1973, for the recording of their next studio album, Genesis had a break from touring for the writting of new songs. They had a hard time, because they were not very happy with the material. I have read inteviews done with the "Famous Pop Trio" (Banks/Collins/Rutherford) on which they said that "Selling England..." was a difficult album since the songwriting period. Banks and Gabriel didn`t like "After the Ordeal" (mainly composed by Hackett), but Gabriel didn`t like the long instrumental section in "The Cinema Show" (which consists predominantly of keyboard solos by Banks). They said: "The band was in a depressive state". Collins said: "I think that my desire to start Brand X started while the making of "Selling England..." At that time I thought that I really couldn`t play the drums". Collins :"Mike and me wrote "More Fool Me"". Fortunatelly, the final product ("Selling England...") was better than they expected. IMO too, "More Fool Me" brought a balance to the album. A love song among a lot of good Prog Rock music. It works in a similar way as "For Absent Friends" (also sung by Collins) and "Harlequin" in the "Nursery Cryme" album. Edited by Guillermo |
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Avatar: Photo of Solar Eclipse, Mexico City, July 1991. A great experience to see. Maybe once in a lifetime.
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Fearless
Forum Senior Member Joined: July 11 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 442 |
Posted: August 15 2005 at 13:17 | |
An interesting theory, but on the Genesis 'Archives' box set, Gabriel is doing the backing vocals for More Fool Me.... mind you, he could have been doing these from backstage, whilst hopping about getting out of a frock & trying not to trip over the fox's head (there's a mental image for you). QUOTE] The backing vocals could have been a recording, or even (as you said) Peter from back stage. This has always confused me, because Peter doesn't sing backup on the studio version (I believe it is Tony, and/or Mike). Who know's, maybe he got changed rather quickly and decided to chip in. |
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If you don't stand up
You don't stand a chance! |
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Guillermo
Prog Reviewer Joined: November 28 2004 Location: Mexico Status: Offline Points: 814 |
Posted: August 15 2005 at 13:25 | |
There is an official video from 1973 called "Tony Smith presents Genesis". "More Fool Me" wasn`t included in the video, but Peter Gabriel sometimes changes costumes on the back of the stage while the band is playing an instrumental part of a song, or even he puts his "flower" on his head while singing "A flower?" in "Suppers`Ready". In "Apocalypse in 9/8" he disappears briefly during the organ solo, goes to the back of the stage, and changes costumes. The same is for the instrumental section of "The Musical Box". He did the change of costumes on stage. Edited by Guillermo |
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Avatar: Photo of Solar Eclipse, Mexico City, July 1991. A great experience to see. Maybe once in a lifetime.
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Doktor Dyper
Forum Groupie Joined: July 17 2005 Location: India Status: Offline Points: 40 |
Posted: August 15 2005 at 14:55 | |
I think that there is another underlying reason why people hate More Fool Me. It was the 1st major song with Phil on lead vocals & the hatred of what Collins ended up doing in the 80s is more or less unanimous in the Prog world....... so a song like More Fool Me which anyway isnt an epic like other songs on SEBTP gets a lot of crap from Prog fans which it probably wouldnt have got had it just got the label of 'Gabriel' on it rather than 'Collins' Personally, I think its a decent song......... just good enough to be decent filler. But why people hate 'I Know What I Like' other than the fact that it was a hit is just something i cant get! |
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FragileDT
Forum Senior Member VIP Member Joined: June 20 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1485 |
Posted: August 15 2005 at 18:33 | |
Agreed. It is completely out of place. You have songs that are written extremely well with lyrics that are very extensive and than you have "More Fool Me." Okay he talks about trouble in a relationship and than says theyll make it alright, than why are you writing a song about it? If you are telling yourself its all gonna be alright its okay than just tell it to yourself, don't write a song about it on such a well written album. It does lower my score of "Selling England" just a bit. |
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One likes to believe
In the freedom of music But glittering prizes And endless Compromises Shatter the illusion Of integrity |
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Snow Dog
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Posted: August 15 2005 at 18:38 | |
Absolutely agree Dyper! |
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Fearless
Forum Senior Member Joined: July 11 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 442 |
Posted: August 15 2005 at 18:45 | |
Quote: Agreed. It is completely out of place. You have songs that are written extremely well with lyrics that are very extensive and than you have "More Fool Me." Okay he talks about trouble in a relationship and than says theyll make it alright, than why are you writing a song about it? If you are telling yourself its all gonna be alright its okay than just tell it to yourself, don't write a song about it on such a well written album. It does lower my score of "Selling England" just a bit. /Quote
^This is the kind of statement that I would expect from Vh 1 or Rolling Stone. It's okay to not like the song (of course it's personal opinion). But it's important to understand that SEbtP is a concept album (somewhat) about the downfall of England. The song is definately not "pointless", it is about deception. And Collins isn't telling himself that it will be alright, he is telling his lover that it will be alright, even after she left him he still loves her. However there are several meanings one can get from this song, but this is the easiest to explain. It just bothers me when people ignorantly say that More Fool Me is pointless. Even if you don't think that it fits in, it still has a point, just listen to it in the context of the album. Edited by Fearless |
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If you don't stand up
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The Doctor
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Posted: August 15 2005 at 21:12 | |
I like the song. It sure beats the hell out of I Know What I Like.
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I can understand your anger at me, but what did the horse I rode in on ever do to you?
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Bj-1
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Posted: August 15 2005 at 21:16 | |
Nice song, but the weakest on the album!
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RIO/AVANT/ZEUHL - The best thing you can get with yer pants on!
EXERIOR Experimental tech/death/progmetal from Norway! |
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MustShaveBeard
Forum Senior Member Joined: February 20 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 366 |
Posted: August 15 2005 at 21:19 | |
I think it's quite a cheesy song, due mostly I think to Collins's annoying, mucus-y voice (if that's a word). Thankfully I've began the process of completely erasing it from my memory using the skip button.
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Your life or your lupins!!!
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FragileDT
Forum Senior Member VIP Member Joined: June 20 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1485 |
Posted: August 15 2005 at 21:21 | |
What reviews have you read, or statements from the rolling stone or VH1 that would criticize short, radio friendly songs, with a repeating chorus that would fit well with any pop station? Does Rolling Stone and VH1 praise well written lyrics (rest of album) and think that lyrics about love that every person can relate to are pointless? I have never thought of it in context to the album because it is, in fact, almost hard to believe that it relates. I understand (sort of) the point your getting at but even if you relate More Fool Me with the album (and that is a far, far stretch) how are you relating it with the downfall of England? Do you mean that people are losing some morality in england at the time and divorce and breakups are more readily available? I'm kind of losing you here, but if you are right and it does indeed relate the the concept, I will not say it is out of place anymore and I will stand corrected. I understand if you have a deep connection with the song and the theme (that I may be missing) but I still don't understand where the rolling stone comes in from the comment that I wrote. |
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One likes to believe
In the freedom of music But glittering prizes And endless Compromises Shatter the illusion Of integrity |
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bertburt
Forum Senior Member Joined: May 12 2005 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 142 |
Posted: August 15 2005 at 21:43 | |
I can't stand the song. I think Phil's vocals are horrible on it, and I'm one of the people constantly defending him as a good singer. The pace of the song is very irritating (the way the guitar stops and starts in curious spots). I thought his turn on 'For Absent Friends' was pretty good, so to hear this 2 years later was a letdown. Add to that the bland lyrics. A 3-minute turd. IMHO, of course |
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Starette
Prog Reviewer Joined: June 14 2005 Location: New Zealand Status: Offline Points: 502 |
Posted: August 16 2005 at 01:52 | |
I agree with you there, yanns, as it IS quite a good lovesong. But maybe that's just because I'm a woman. And maybe the reason why others here don't like it is because they're hardcore proggers. You see- man singing cute cute song with acoustic guitar and no time sig-change etc is DIFFERENT to an extreme variety of instruments, lyrics that are beyond the codes and conventions of "poor me- I've been used by you- but I still love you (awwww- isn't that NICE)" and all other lovesongs and differents and surprising beats/ volumes that change all the way through the song... It's a good song for a pop-lovesong. But it's just not interesting enough- so to speak. I DO like it though. In fact it's kinda funny you bought it up because I'm trying to learn how to play it. |
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50 tonne angel falls to the earth...
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