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Posted: October 13 2016 at 18:54
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
I am simply angry
- Jorge Luis Borges
- Julio Cortazar
- James Joyce
- Franz Kafka
Died without receiving the well deserved Nobel
And the academy gives the award to Dylan.
Don't misunderstand me, I love Dylan's lyrics, but not in the level for a Nobel Prize.
Iván
Agreed. But remember the Nobel franchise has jumped the shark as evidenced by awarding an award to Obama who took the reins of the current war mongering empire and has committed unspeakable war crimes in his tenure as commander as chief in this here USA. Nobel would rolll over in his grave if he knew how his vision was being distorted.
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Posted: October 13 2016 at 19:02
Not really. The Nobel Peace prize has been like that. The economics prize is also kinda odd. The rest of the prizes have been fine sans the science ones maybe being inappropriately white-male-centric and the literature prize maybe favoring too much surprising literature choices with ties to social engagement.
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Posted: October 13 2016 at 19:13
^ the fact that Obama received a Nobel Peace Prize while Ghandi didn't tells me the whole thing is a big scam and only propoghanda for the purposes of promoting empiristic enterprises. Nobel himself had other things in mind. Like any great thinker who dies, this whole idea has been hijacked and distorted. I do love Dylan so don't think i don't, but i agree with Ivan that his visionary poetic visionary contritbutions weren't up to par with the greatest literary visionaries of the 20th century
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Posted: October 13 2016 at 20:12
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
I am simply angry
- Jorge Luis Borges
- Julio Cortazar
- James Joyce
- Franz Kafka
Died without receiving the well deserved Nobel
And the academy gives the award to Dylan.
Don't misunderstand me, I love Dylan's lyrics, but not in the level for a Nobel Prize.
Iván
All wonderful authors, but none of their words had the same effect over so many millions of people across the world. Both the Anti-War and Civil Rights movements of the 1960s were affected by Dylan lyrics. No poet of the 20th century had such a profound effect on everyone from The Beatles to the left wing radicals the "Weathermen" (who borrowed their name from Subterranean Homesick Blues).
Again, I own books by each of the authors you listed, but how many people can quote them? How many people have even read them? Dylan deserved it.
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Posted: October 13 2016 at 20:55
^ Dylan is not literature! He's a musician! They need another category if they're gonna do this. Why not give Stephen Hawking a Peace Prize Award because he wasn't physically able to start a war! Damn. Personally i think all awards are complete BS. They are simply subjective just as every experience in life only someone was chosen to paint their opinions in pretty colors.
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Posted: October 13 2016 at 21:33
Kafka died mostly unpublished (just a few short stories I believe, none of his incomplete novels), so there would have been no way for him to get a Nobel prize.
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Posted: October 13 2016 at 21:57
The Dark Elf wrote:
All wonderful authors, but none of their words had the same effect over so many millions of people across the world. Both the Anti-War and Civil Rights movements of the 1960s were affected by Dylan lyrics. No poet of the 20th century had such a profound effect on everyone from The Beatles to the left wing radicals the "Weathermen" (who borrowed their name from Subterranean Homesick Blues).
I ca't disagree more:
1.- Not all the world is English speaker, most people from Latin America and Spain, don't care for the lyrics in English, I don't even believe that more of 50% of English speakers give a damn for lyrics....As a fact, in Latin America Dylan was never popular.
100% of people who buy a book reads it, I don't believe that more of 50% (If even) of the people who buy an album, gives a damn about lyrics
2.- Borges and Cortazar are read in each and every country from Latin America, Spain and even in non speaking Spanish countries, not to talk about James Joyce and of course Kafka who is studied in every school in the planet.
3.- The anti War movement was a matter of the USA and people outside USA cared very little about it, and most of those who know about it, don't give the importance you believe....Most were left wing students who has an excuse to shout against "Capitalist Yankees" but knew very little about it.
You can't compare Dylan with these guys
The Dark Elf wrote:
Again, I own books by each of the authors you listed, but how many people can quote them? How many people have even read them? Dylan deserved it.
How many people outside USA can quote Dylan?
I'm sure you would be surprised if you research how many people in USA can quote him except for the title of a song and maybe a phrase.
I'm sure Dylan is influential but mostly among musicians and really hard core rock fans as us.
Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - October 13 2016 at 22:19
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Posted: October 13 2016 at 22:00
mechanicalflattery wrote:
Kafka died mostly unpublished (just a few short stories I believe, none of his incomplete novels), so there would have been no way for him to get a Nobel prize.
How many people here read Vargas Llosa?
How many people in USA and UK read García Marquez before he won the Nobel?
But the question is not how many read Kafka, but the quality of his work.
Iván
PS: I studied The Metamorphosis in primary school, I believe this happens in all the planet, or at least most of it.
Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - October 13 2016 at 22:01
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Posted: October 14 2016 at 07:27
^This time I 100% agree with Ivan (except in the liking for his music; I don't like it at all). Outside of the US Dylan is not the world-changer he's made to be here.
siLLy puPPy wrote:
Nobel himself had other things in mind. Like any great thinker who dies, this whole idea has been hijacked and distorted.
Well, it's kind of fitting that the inventor of dynamite's name is used to give prizes to people who start wars.
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Posted: October 14 2016 at 07:29
The T wrote:
^This time I 100% agree with Ivan (except in the liking for his music; I don't like it at all). Outside of the US Dylan is not the world-changer he's made to be here.
siLLy puPPy wrote:
Nobel himself had other things in mind. Like any great thinker who dies, this whole idea has been hijacked and distorted.
Well, it's kind of fitting that the inventor of dynamite's name is used to give prizes to people who start wars.
LOL. Great point and kinda makes sense in the crazy world in which we reside
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Posted: October 14 2016 at 07:52
mechanicalflattery wrote:
Kafka died mostly unpublished (just a few short stories I believe, none of his incomplete novels), so there would have been no way for him to get a Nobel prize.
Prize in literature was awarded posthumously to Karlfeldt in 1931 seven years after Kafka had died. It was possible though it is not anymore.
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